Fbis "Big Unit" Compressor..

who has used this compressor?? how fast will it filla 7 gallon tank?? and hows the current draw onit..it looks liek a solid compresor jsut wanna knwo fi anyone has used it

I'm probably a bit biased to be answering this post (since I work at FBI!), but I'll give you my experience anyway.
We've been running this pump on two 7 gallon tanks for about 3 months now on our shop's F150.
The Thomas TA-4101 we had on there was a couple years old, and we decided to see what this one could do. It fills 14 gallons from 0-170 psi in around 11 minutes, which is about 3 minutes faster than the 4101 did in its prime-
I know, the Thomas pump isn't rated over 150 psi, but we did it anyway...
We use the truck for demos, and I just recently drove it two hours each way to the GoodGuys Show in Pleasanton last weekend, and the compressor worked like a champ, even in 90 degree + heat.
As for specs, different manufacturers skew the numbers to suit their needs, but figure on around 40-50 amps current draw when this pump gets warm. CFM is rated at 3.5 at 0 psi, and you get a maximum working pressure of 200 psi.
While it looks similar to other pumps that have been on the market for a few years, the internals have been changed a bit to suit the market better. Lower current draw, higher maximum pressure, and a completely oilless design make this a killer pump for the price. FBI is also offering a 1 year warranty against manufacturers defects to give you a bit more peace of mind.
Now I'm starting to sound like a TV ad, but I'm honestly happy with this pump's performance and build quality. I've always run Thomas compressors on my rides, but I think my Comet is going with this guy unless I decide on a belt driven... we'll have to see!

-Phil at FBI

11 minutes for 14 gallons?! thats awesome..ill be orderin one within the next few weeks!!..

Originally posted by framelayer521



I'm probably a bit biased to be answering this post (since I work at FBI!), but I'll give you my experience anyway. We've been running this pump on two 7 gallon tanks for about 3 months now on our shop's F150. The Thomas TA-4101 we had on there was a couple years old, and we decided to see what this one could do. It fills 14 gallons from 0-170 psi in around 11 minutes, which is about 3 minutes faster than the 4101 did in its prime-I know, the Thomas pump isn't rated over 150 psi, but we did it anyway... We use the truck for demos, and I just recently drove it two hours each way to the GoodGuys Show in Pleasanton last weekend, and the compressor worked like a champ, even in 90 degree + heat.As for specs, different manufacturers skew the numbers to suit their needs, but figure on around 40-50 amps current draw when this pump gets warm. CFM is rated at 3.5 at 0 psi, and you get a maximum working pressure of 200 psi.While it looks similar to other pumps that have been on the market for a few years, the internals have been changed a bit to suit the market better. Lower current draw, higher maximum pressure, and a completely oilless design make this a killer pump for the price. FBI is also offering a 1 year warranty against manufacturers defects to give you a bit more peace of mind.Now I'm starting to sound like a TV ad, but I'm honestly happy with this pump's performance and build quality. I've always run Thomas compressors on my rides, but I think my Comet is going with this guy unless I decide on a belt driven... we'll have to see!

-Phil at FBI

Based on your website, you say it was neck and neck with the AZ... yet this pump has a 3.5cfm output at 0, compared to the AZ of 2.85... so your pump should be faster...

What is the pressure that your pump is rated at 100% duty? Industry standard says 100 psi... AZ specifically says theirs is 100% at 200 psi.

You state that its amp draw is 32 amps, then one paragraph below, state that it pulls 45 when warm... then in your post above you have up to 50 amps... so what is the MAX amp draw? Thats what folks need when wiring their system. A 15 amp difference is quite a bit and could lead to issues for the end user if not wired properly

Any major compressor manufacturer has CFM output at around every 10psi (Thomas, Viair, Air Zenith, etc)... who actually manufacturers your compressors? Are you going to reply back like AIM does and say that you get the compressors from out of country then take inhouse parts to 'beef them up' and make them look better?

If I buy one of these compressors and take it apart, will I find the same part numbers stamped on the parts that I found on the AIM compressors?

Sorry for all of the questions, but with the pump looking exactly like AIM's pumps, and FBI's sketchy record, they are not un-warrented... feel free to contact me at matt@bagginit.com if you wish.

fbi is like everyone else tho. the product takes for ever and ever and ever to ge. just keep that in mind when you buy.

Originally posted by bagginitdotcom



Originally posted by framelayer521



I'm probably a bit biased to be answering this post (since I work at FBI!), but I'll give you my experience anyway. We've been running this pump on two 7 gallon tanks for about 3 months now on our shop's F150. The Thomas TA-4101 we had on there was a couple years old, and we decided to see what this one could do. It fills 14 gallons from 0-170 psi in around 11 minutes, which is about 3 minutes faster than the 4101 did in its prime-I know, the Thomas pump isn't rated over 150 psi, but we did it anyway... We use the truck for demos, and I just recently drove it two hours each way to the GoodGuys Show in Pleasanton last weekend, and the compressor worked like a champ, even in 90 degree + heat.As for specs, different manufacturers skew the numbers to suit their needs, but figure on around 40-50 amps current draw when this pump gets warm. CFM is rated at 3.5 at 0 psi, and you get a maximum working pressure of 200 psi.While it looks similar to other pumps that have been on the market for a few years, the internals have been changed a bit to suit the market better. Lower current draw, higher maximum pressure, and a completely oilless design make this a killer pump for the price. FBI is also offering a 1 year warranty against manufacturers defects to give you a bit more peace of mind.Now I'm starting to sound like a TV ad, but I'm honestly happy with this pump's performance and build quality. I've always run Thomas compressors on my rides, but I think my Comet is going with this guy unless I decide on a belt driven... we'll have to see!

-Phil at FBI

Based on your website, you say it was neck and neck with the AZ... yet this pump has a 3.5cfm output at 0, compared to the AZ of 2.85... so your pump should be faster...

What is the pressure that your pump is rated at 100% duty? Industry standard says 100 psi... AZ specifically says theirs is 100% at 200 psi.

You state that its amp draw is 32 amps, then one paragraph below, state that it pulls 45 when warm... then in your post above you have up to 50 amps... so what is the MAX amp draw? Thats what folks need when wiring their system. A 15 amp difference is quite a bit and could lead to issues for the end user if not wired properly

Any major compressor manufacturer has CFM output at around every 10psi (Thomas, Viair, Air Zenith, etc)... who actually manufacturers your compressors? Are you going to reply back like AIM does and say that you get the compressors from out of country then take inhouse parts to 'beef them up' and make them look better?

If I buy one of these compressors and take it apart, will I find the same part numbers stamped on the parts that I found on the AIM compressors?

Sorry for all of the questions, but with the pump looking exactly like AIM's pumps, and FBI's sketchy record, they are not un-warrented... feel free to contact me at matt@bagginit.com if you wish.

Well??

Edited: 6/10/2006 11:19:29 PM by Lonoma2k

isnt bagginit.com part of AIM....

or maybe not :???:

Originally posted by Lonoma2k



Edited: 6/10/2006 11:19:29 PM by Lonoma2k

isnt bagginit.com part of AIM....

or maybe not

I'm using my last post this month just to say no... haha...

http://www.bagginit.com/not_aim

Edited: 6/12/2006 12:37:54 PM by framelayer521

Sorry for the late response. I'm not going to come up on here and misrepresent this pump- I'm just going to give you what I know.The duty cycle is rated at 100 psi at 72 degrees Fahrenheit, and in my experience the Zenith should be as well. We've had a few Air Zenith pumps come back here burned up because somebody ran them too hard, so I think it's safe to say that every electric pump running at those pressures will need some cool-down time between runs.An electric motor draws the most current when it's starting up, and that is why I'm saying 50 amps. It may run fine with a 40 amp breaker, but on a hot day, restarting at 170 psi, it could pop that breaker. I haven't actually measured current draw on the pump, and the spec sheet says 35 amps, but I try to take everything with a grain of salt that is published these days (just as you are!)Which leads us to the CFM rating. Their published specs are 3.5 CFM at 0 psi. On our website, I rate that as "neck and neck" with the Air Zenith because I'm a big fan of the Zenith, and this pump hadn't been on our shelves long enough to prove itself completely to me. Now that we've sold a couple hundred with no real problems, including having one on our shop truck, I feel a lot better about pushing it.

As for the AIM connection, I suppose you could say there is one. We are getting these pumps from a similar supplier as the one used by AIM. However, they have made several revisions since they were sold last. I had one of the old BlowJax pumps on one of my rides for a while, and it made a lot of air up to about 180 psi, where it hit a brick wall. It also killed a continuous solenoid and killed my battery every time it had the chance- big time current draw!

We are NOT affiliated with AIM industries in any way, just like you, Matt. Sometimes a similar product (or name, in your case) can lead to confusion, but make no mistake- we are our own company, and have zero ties to AIM, Chassis Tech, Ricky Racer, Godmothers, Virtual Traders, Airridepro, Ratical Tops, or whatever else they may be calling themselves this month.

I'm not going to blow smoke and say that we're tweaking them here, because we don't need to. The guys in Taiwan are just making a better pump that looks almost the same as the old one. I hope all of this helps clear the air. If anyone has a test bench set up and would like to get some exact comparisons of the latest pumps, I'd be happy to contribute one of these Big Units to see what it actually does in a direct, independent test between it, the Air Zenith, and some Viairs.

-Phil at FBI

Originally posted by framelayer521



If anyone has a test bench set up and would like to get some exact comparisons of the latest pumps, I'd be happy to contribute one of these Big Units to see what it actually does in a direct, independent test between it, the Air Zenith, and some Viairs.

-Phil at FBI

Doug might be interested, DJDAudio I think is his screenname on here.. he does alot of testing/comparing of compressors & valves.

djd@landisusa.com

Or maybe he'd see this post sometime.