you know joe if ya'll would do ppl better this problem would not be going on i've ordered stuff from you guys before and yes the spindles u guys sold me were used but they workd so ol well but other shit ive bought from you guys was just crap and you never wanted to fix the problem thats y i buy from suicidedoors.com now because of the customer service....this is not me tell others not to buy your products and maybe u guys do make a gud product and have gud customer service with customers but there also seems to be a lot of times where you guys were in the wrong to (if what these other ppl and myself claim in our own personal storys is true)