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---------------------------------------------Originally posted by Chopped MazdaHmmm. Open up a hobart, it bassicly is a miller with a hobart shell on it, the parts are all made by miller..... Hell, my mig torch on my Hobart 210 auctually reads Miller on it. For usually around 500$ less than a miller, buy a hobart and dont think about it again, there great machines. Taylor ---------------------------------------------I heard that the hobart unit was made buy miller thanks this answers some ?s that i had