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The 220 volt outlet!?

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hex0rz   +1y
Me and a co-worker were talking today and he was telling me, for about $135 I could wire myself a 220 outlet so I can get my 80 gal. compressor.

Anyone have any experience doing it? I know the basics of it all and whatnot, but electricians don't get paid the money they do if it was so simple!
dropped90(justin)   +1y
i know you have to have a bigger or double 110 breaker in your breaker box. thats all i know about it

oh and when they get you they light your ass up good
gravity5   +1y
It's retty easy.... there 220 is basically just 2 110 circuits...
dropped90(justin)   +1y
i thought that is what it is and i knew that gravity worked alot with electrical components was just waiting for him to chime in
night rider   +1y
im a electrician by trade.


"It's really easy.... there 220 is basically just 2 110 circuits..." like gravity5 said its basically 2 110v circuits. true but with no neutral(s). runs off 2 hot wires. a single 12-2 wire would work. all you would need is a double pole 20a breaker, however much 12-2 you need, and obviously a box and 220v recep, and cover.



the most expensive part is gonna be the wire. copper isnt so cheap anymore. i know if you take scrap wire to a junk yard theyll give u almost $3lb. 1000' of 14-2, two years ago was around $80, now you would be lucky to get it for under $375.

most likely you would need no more then 50' or even 250' but your still gonna pay. just call your local electrical supplier and get prices, but to be honest you prob will find it cheaper at like lowes or home depot, where they buy it by the truck load.


so about $135-$150 sounds right. like i said, the most expensive part would be the wire. the breaker will be the next expensive thing.

as at to what dropped90 said, "oh and when they get you they light your ass up good".... DAMN RIGHT. i been hit by 220/240/277 a mess of times, and everytime hurts just as much, but make you feel even stupider cause you should have learned from the previous time. it sure dont feel good, however getting shocked by 110v doesnt hurt as much anymore, just kinda tickles.
night rider   +1y
ppl dont really understand, after you rough wire there house and the bill is $7000 why it is so much. its not as much the labor as to material cost.... as God as my witness thats why it is so much. The price of copper, service cable, and even the price of extension cords it outrageous.



well im off to work, lol. have to change some breakers at a house where lighting f*ed some shit up.

peace
nytrdr24   +1y
gotcha cover'd on this one hex.....step one, lick finger & touch the copper buss bar in the back of the panel!

^^^j/k haha!PLEASE, DON'T ATTEMPT TO DO THAT, IT'S NOT SAFE, YOU WILL GET HURT!

nah, for real,
1)check the power panel that you will be feeding the comp. from, you will need to know what kind of breakers are in the panel, and who makes them, example, square d, qo series breakers, or seimens, homeline series breakers.....
2)look on the comp., you need to know the max amperage that it will pull....this will determine what size breaker to buy....more than likely, it will need a 30 amp - 2 pole breaker.
3)how close are ya gonna put the comp. to the panel that will feed it?

when you get ready to wire it in, you will need:
the appropriate size breaker (depends on rating on comp.), & type
some romex cable: two conductor w/ a ground (depends on rating on comp.)
2- 1/2" romex connectors (has lock ring on it, not the "atomic connector" type (one for a spare)
2- 1/2" flex connectors
1/2" flex (length will depend on distance from switch to comp.)
2- single gang plastic cut in receptacle boxes
1 2-pole single throw switch, rated @ 120v/30a switch
a metal switch cover
a metal blank cover

basic breaker ratings & wire size (wire dist. less than 100')
if the comp rating is 30amp or less = # 10 awg & a 30 amp breaker will do.
if the comp rating is 40amp or less = # 8 awg & a 40 amp breaker will do.

as i said above, more than likely the comp. won't pull more than 30 amps. if it does, hit me up, & i'll give ya some more input.

turn off the main breaker in the panel. take a meter or tester appropriately rated, and make sure the panel is dead (turned off)
remove the panel cover, and install the breaker in the panel
depending on where the compressor is the wire will either go out of the bottom of the panel (if the compressor is right next to it) or if you panel is say inside the house, and the comp is in the garage, you will come out of the top of the panel & run the wire thru the attic.....have fun fishing it down the walls!

put the romex conn in the panel either in the top, or bottom depending on what i said above, leave enough wire @ the panel to reach the breaker, neutral/ground bar (white/bare copper wires are attached to), the bare copper wire in the romex will go to this bar, the white & black (one on each terminal of the breaker for the comp). irreguardless if your comp is right next to the panel, you will cut the two boxes into the wall side by side next to the compressor, leave @ 4" inbetween so you don't weaken the sheet rock., run the wire from the panel to the first box, this is where the switch will be located.

next you'll want to run the flex & wire from the pressure switch on the compressor to the second box, measure & cut the flex, leave some slack so the flex isn't stretched tight. put a connector on both ends. take the blank cover, knock out a 1/2" hole in the center, and put one end of the flex onto the blank cover. now take a solid piece of romex long enough to reach from the first box to the second box (in the wall), and then to the pressure switch on the comp, feed one end of the wire from the second box to the first box, take the other end of the wire, feed it into the end of the flex with the blank cover, and put the cover on the the second box. now put the connector to the other end of the flex into the pressure switch, and wire the pressure switch, ground to green screw, white & black to the two poles (terminals on the press. sw.).....now @ the first box, you will connect both wires to the switch, tie the grounds together leaving a pig tail to hook onto the green screw of the switch. the black wires will go to the two screws on one side, the whites to the two screws on the other side. put the switch in the first box, an put the metal sw. cover on.

now put the cover back on the panel, and turn the main breaker back on.....now you can turn the breaker to the comp. on. go over to the switch in the first box next to the comp., turn it on, the comp should kick on, and start to fill the tank, it should kick off automaticly @ w/e psi the press. sw. is set at.

sorry so long, pretty sure i didn't leave anything out..... just remember, be very careful around the panel, and DON'T TOUCH THE COPPER BUSS BAR!


this concludes the E101CW class: basic electrical air compressor wiring
hex0rz   +1y
THANK YOU ALL!

I think I may try and give this a shootin' either next week or the week after. I'll have to buy all the stuff and I'll reference from this thread for my answers! Where shold I be able to get all of this stuff, a lowes or home depot, right?

If I run into any problems I'll let you guys know!

I need a little more clarification as well...

What would be the best way to run the wire to the garage? The box inside the house is in the basement and I could probably run it throught ther window next to it and up the side of the house and around the roof and across... lol.. I gotta give this more thought...

The compressor is going to be in the garage. So I should say its probably no more than 100' from the garage to the breaker box...

When I figure out what compressor I buy, I'll be sure to post up the specifications of it to give you a better idea...
night rider   +1y
if your going to run it outside ur probably gonna want to run it in UF. its a little more expensive but well worth the extra protection. if u can, you may be able to save a little bit and put a junction box after you bring it into the house. im not sure how everything is set up for you. but if i was running it, i would run the romex out of the panel, and as long as its inside its fine, but before it goes outside put a junction box and switch over to UF. the burry it, run it up the house or whatever you have to do....


hope that helps in any way
hex0rz   +1y
Yea, its gotta run outside to the garage which is about 25 feet from the house. I was tyhinking about hanging it, cause burrying it might be a bad idea in terms of digging afterwards and the hassle to do it in the first place, haha!

I have also thought about getting shop lights put in as well. Would I just have to have 3 110volt breakers in the box and then go to the junction box and on?

Well, I also believe I have made my choice on what compressor to buy! ITS a GREAT deal!

I have not heard of Kobalt very much, but the sales guy said they have been improving their products alot lately. My dad has heard of them before as well. Its no snap on brand or an Ingersoll Rand, but they must be confident in their products to give such nice warranties on them!

I have chosen to stick myself on buying the Kobalt 80 Gal compressor! Its $600! $600! DANG! Its only a one-stage compressor, but it is a tri-piston motor that makes up for it! 3 year warranty!

I can run a sand blaster as much as I want now! Wooo!

I have had no luck on getting specifications on this compressor online so, I assume I'll have to wait until I get it...

It will be fun getting things together so I can actually start getting my mazda looking gooood!
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