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ahh, I see the link bars under the frame. sweet. let's call it a seven link anyways! Nice work!

Edited: 12/23/2006 11:45:57 AM by bagged85

wow.shocks are USELESS put on there side like that unless there canitlevered. they will blow prematurly. y not go off the lower 6 link bar to the top of the notch and have a working shock and a better ride? o and this " it angles out when you lift it" shit is NOT how shocks work.

Edited: 12/23/2006 12:53:54 PM by DroptSdime

Originally posted by bagged85



Edited: 12/23/2006 11:45:57 AM by bagged85

wow.shocks are USELESS put on there side like that unless there canitlevered. they will blow prematurly. y not go off the lower 6 link bar to the top of the notch and have a working shock and a better ride? o and this " it angles out when you lift it" shit is NOT how shocks work.

I never said they were working properly. I said the only reason they had any effect at all is because they are so stiff. But also, it was only driven around town a few times, and the shocks are getting redone. And shocks do work in angled positions. Damn near every truck has their shocks mounted at angle in the rear from the factory. They don't have to be perfectly vertical to work properly.

i understand shocks work at some angles, just not that severe. im glad your redoing them

Originally posted by KAOSS



The quality looks like it's nice work. His profile says it is a 5 link.

http://www.streetsource.com/Profile.aspx?Profileid=41235

Definitely Agreed! It looks like a lot of time and attention to detail went into this setup! Nice!

the setup works, I promise The shocks are only level to the ground when it's fully laid out. Yeah, I know that the angle sucks, I promise..lol. The only reason they do anything at all is because they're Explorer Pro Comp ES9000's...heavy ass double valved shock..it took both of us to compress them. I'm doing some more work on the rear setup in the next month or so, and the angle of the shock will be fixed. As it is now, at ride height, they only use about 3" of their usable stroke...so they function, but not as well as they could/should.

And if you go through the rest of the pics in the profile, you can see the two lever bars running off the back of the axle...a little easier to see without the shocks there..

And really, if you look at most stock rear suspensions, the shocks are at an angle...granted not as severe, but they are...hell, an S-10 rear shock is laid back at close to 45*...

My toxic shocks are setup like that, the angle lessens as the truck raises, the more lift you get the better the shock works. i like it cause it gets softer as you go down. nice work!

I helped my friend mount shocks in his Rodeo and we where tight on space so the only way was to mount them in about a 45 degree position and they don't work as good as they should, in fact they probably only work about half as good.

the thing here is shocks are all diferent , some shocks push out when you compress them others dont , it depends on what ratio they are valved at and what size diameter as to what kind of ride you will get from them , as for working in that photo , they may work just fine depending on what shock is in there , traill master used to make an ad on shock set up that mounted that way , it was made to stiffen the ride alittle by adding another shock , it mounted from the front of the leaf spring to axle tube , as for people arguing about if it works or not , it might of worked well for someone with the right shock , but worked like ass for someone with the wrong shock ,, i personally always use a 50/50 valved shock that pushes the same as it pulls , and try to mount them at no more than 10 degrees at ride highth , just my 2 cents , LOL just felt like rambling ,,,

I'm not even going to add my opinion. The builder realizes that the shock angle in not optimal by any stretch...

What happens when the shock is layed down at a severe angle is it loses it's efectiveness. I will post a pic of the efective shock position of a given angle.

The problem with the shocks in question is that they are extremely digressive. Which means that they become less efective as the suspension compresses. In this case completely useless. I have been trying to come up with a simple shock mount that is not digressive in any way, even linear would be great, but the confines of a mini truck don't offer up the realestate to do so. Without a bell crank or some other means of converting ratios, I can't find a way to build a shock mount that doesn't "go away." It would be nice on a minitruck if the suspension was a little stiffer when driving low to keep the truck from hitting the ground so easily. I am having King Shocks build me custom shocks that are naturally progressive, but they are quite expensive.

I would like to see how the shocks get mounted once they are moved.