20's On 88 toyota?

do you have any pics  so I can get a better idea of what your saying, bobby?

--------------------------------------------- Originally posted by sadisticiron i guess it all depends on if you know what your doing or dont. what seth says about moving this to move that and shake it all about is not nessesary.   here is what you do i dont care what anybody says ive been doing toyotas for a long time.  this is the best way with the least amount of work to lay 20's.   new upper control arm an inch longer than stock, drop spindles, sectioning the lower control arm mount an inch, shave a 1/2 inch off of the lower control arm crossmember and  space the strut rod down a 1/2 inch off of the lower control arm. once all this is done build your bag mounts to fit.  this can all be achieved with a days work in your garage. then you can bodydrop it with the stock hood and you dont have to drop the motor cuz you z'ed the frame a year ago. --------------------------------------------- do you have any pics so I can get a better idea of what your saying? also my truck doesn't have power steering so I don't know if that would make any difference in getting it to lay out on 20's.  so there is no way to layout with stock arms on 20's?

--------------------------------------------- Originally posted by sadisticiron did you align it at mid suspension travel. alot of people dont realize that taking a truck from being 12-15 inches off the ground to on the ground requires an alignment to correct what you have done. just asking --------------------------------------------- I did the tape measure alignment in the garage before changing it. I aligned it at about 5 inches off the ground. But it still went from one extreme to the other laid out and at full lift. Once I moved the steering box up it fixed the issue, and I hardly get any toe change now.   I guess you could use a rod end and flip the tie rod end from the top of the spindle to the bottom, but I am not sure how close it will come to stock geometry.

Edited: 2/4/2009 12:30:28 AM by sadisticiron

 Sorry seth but a tape measure alignment to a 35,000 dollar computer alignment machine is like comparing a tig welder to a lighter....lol. yeah you can lay out on all stock parts like i did. stock arms, spindles, and steering. and not anymore pics were on 2 computers ago. the tech i did on it was 2 years ago for MT. ill see if i can find some pics

--------------------------------------------- Originally posted by sadisticiron Edited: 2/4/2009 12:30:28 AM by sadisticiron  Sorry seth but a tape measure alignment to a 35,000 dollar computer alignment machine is like comparing a tig welder to a lighter....lol. yeah you can lay out on all stock parts like i did. stock arms, spindles, and steering. and not anymore pics were on 2 computers ago. the tech i did on it was 2 years ago for MT. ill see if i can find some pics --------------------------------------------- alright. that would be great thanks.   do you know if I would have to cut part of my bed sides with 20's? it's not gonna be body dropped just laying frame,  I got the old school toyota bed, which I plan on keeping.

depends on wheel size. i would recommend a 20x7.5 with at least a 40mm offset  

--------------------------------------------- Originally posted by sadisticiron depends on wheel size. i would recommend a 20x7.5 with at least a 40mm offset   --------------------------------------------- do you know what the overall wheel diameter would be for a 20" wheel with 35's? I'm  planning on bagging the back first and I don't know if my stock wheels would be the same overall size as 20's with 35's.

i run nittos on my trucks but if you know what tire you are going to run. check their web site for tire specs. but a nitto 35 series 20 runs about 26.2 inches tall

Edited: 2/4/2009 1:19:51 AM by TwistedMinis

---------------------------------------------Originally posted by sadisticiron Sorry seth but a tape measure alignment to a 35,000 dollar computer alignment machine is like comparing a tig welder to a lighter....lol. ---------------------------------------------Perfect alignment or not the toe should not change so drastically. It was a big difference. I aligned my truck with a tape measure afterward and had much better results before getting it professionally aligned. My toe change went from several inches, to about 1/4" through 10 inches of travel. I'm done arguing though. I feel like sectioning will cause steering issues if you only move the control arm mounts, and I just won't go that route again. I was just telling my side of the story. I am trying to get together a tech article on Z'ing Toyota's though. It's one of those intimidating things many people have questions about.

i never legnthened my arms, relocated any mounting points, or anything...i just sectioned the frame spreader right below the oil pan.  i'll try to remember to post up some pics when i get home from work.  there's nothing ghetto about any aspect of what i did to mine.  also the way i did it, my stock hood still fits with it traditionally body dropped to the rockers (just after the pinch).  there's about an inch of clearance under the hood even if i wanted to cut some of the rocker off, but chose not to.  keep in mind that i now only have a 1 & 1/2 " frame spreader bar instead of that massive 3 or 4" one that came stock, but hell.  also my oil pan is an inch & 1/2 or 2" off the ground, but i didn't put this much work into my frame to just destroy it by dragging, so that doesn't bother me at all.  if that's what you plan to do, you can always weld some type of protection plates there.   also i want to respond to seth's comment about dragging the x-member down & then just doing the bd about 1/2" more in the front.  please don't think i'm talking bad about you or anything seth, cause your very good at what you do & very knowledgeable, but...i have seen a couple people do this (& i did it once myself for a very low buck build for a buddy), but in all honesty, no one will ever notice that there's a 1/2" slope to your floor, as long as it all lays completely flat out.  i don't see that as ghetto at all.  if it was my own truck & anyone is inside it & looking close enough to use a level to check my work, they'll most likely be getting their ass kicked (or a bad case of lead poisoning).