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4 Link and heims??

Mazda Lowering Static Mazda Suspension Mazda Tech
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dirtracer14   +1y
Getting ready to do a bag 4 link on my sons first truck. I see most trucks use the rubber bushing instead of the heims.....will the heims move to much? I would think the bushings will bind? This is are first bag truck and i have been reading for days on it. Beds off and allmost aall cleaned up ready to build.
devb22   +1y
I would personally use some Super Pivot ends...They use Nylatron GS, which is a grade of nylon specifically for bearing applications...


Just my two pennies...



Dev
elbine69   +1y
Bushings are cheaper to replace and easier to maintain. I personally like heims better but they are more expensive, but if they are properly maintained they will last. They will allow a bit more movement on the axle for hitting sides than bushings too.
devb22   +1y
Super Pivots are designed for side to side movement...

You know those rock crawling dudes? They use them because one side of their axle needs to climb up on the side of a boulder. If that's not smooth side to side axle pivot, what the hell is?

They do cost more then a heim joint, but they are so much better imo!



Dev
dirtracer14   +1y
So there is no reason why i couldnt use them. I use a high grade of heim on a dirt track car that hold up really well. I just got to thinking with all heims that it would allow side to side without a panhard bar. I am still up in the air on what kit to get for the bags....i have looked on ebay but not sure of the quality This is for my soon to be 16 year old and that more i read it sounds like the 3/8 valves with be just fine for him? Thanks for the fast reply!
devb22   +1y
I sent you a PM...

I think your son would be more then happy with 3/8" Valves...

DO NOT BUY OFF EBAY...

Hit me up and I will get you taken care of....


Dev
dropped90(justin)   +1y
im also debating on whether to get super pivot 4-link or regular bushings. im goin with square lowers bags on bars. im wantin to be able to hit some pretty good side to side as well. can i get away with regular bushings or superpivot only. if i go with regular for cost purposes now. can i knock them out later and knock in super pivot?



-justin
twisted minis   +1y
Actually Devon, a heim will be more expensive in the long run if you buy quality units. Say you buy a 5/8" QA1 chromoly heim, thats about $24-27 depending on where you go. Plus you need a tube adapter, $5-8. And misalignment spacers are a good idea, at $3 each and two per heim. That makes the total $35 to $41 per heim on a 4-link, plus jam nuts at $.15. A super pivot should be in the $30-35 range complete. A pivot joint is also cheaper to rebuild than a bushing in most cases, if you have the tools to take them apart.

Realistically it depends on what you want the 4-link to do. If you want something that just goes up and down, and will hug the corners really nice, I like bushings in all ends. If you want to hit dies, or 3 wheel, I recommend a bushing at the frame, and a heim or super pivot at the axle. The bushings at the frame will not bind, because they do not have to twist like the joints on the axle do.

Maybe I should write a tech article on different style link ends, and how the effect the vehicle.






A super pivot will not fit where a bushing once was. The super pivots are larger in diameter and are machined to accept the clips that hold it in place.

If you want to hit sides, a pivot joint will do it better than a bushing, and it will pivot farther. I have all bushings, and my truck will articulate around 7 inches if I let it. But its also stiffer.

When I linked that Mazda, it would articulate about 18 inches, more than some 4WD trucks. Also the amount of articulation you can get depends on the link setup, some are better than others for this.

And the 720 I am building right now, will be set up to articulate even more. And the link setup will have a low roll center to make it easier to 3 wheel. And I am using heims, pivot joints, and bushings on the 4-link.
devb22   +1y
Good call Seth....


I think a tech would be sweet!


Dev
dirtracer14   +1y
I was thinking about one side bushing and one heim. I get moly heims 3/4 or 3/4 x 5/8 for under $20 each so it wont be to bad to get 4 instead of 8. Also i was gonna use the front leaf mount on the frame for the lowers. Is it better to go from center of rear to frame on top or outer rear to center of frame? Thanks for all the info guys