project swerve. aka the gobstoper. (87 b2200 baggin)

ok got a few updates.....just dont got any pics yet. i got my 302 completly tore down ready for rebuild just savin for piston rings intake and carb rebuild kit, i got my c6 tranny for it as well. i got the truck all the way together i'll try and get pics of it. its primed black well most of it is but you know. i also got chevy wheels on it im still working out the problems with the power window swap so its gettin there. i dont have many pictures cause its hard to remember to take pictures when your workin on it but i'll try to get pics of everything wiht the motor swap that way i can make a diy.

after we cut out fenders

beautiful bare block 302

almost all the same color

and the c6 trans

self explanitory

tuckin the stocks

and the chevy wheels

laid out

got bored and had left over paint from my car

looks much better in almost all one colour than like eight or nine haha

From my 30 years of performance Fords, I would recommend swapping out the C6 for a C4 tranny.

Don't get me wrong, the C6 is great for BB's, and very heavy vehicles.

But, its a horsepower pig. It will rob nearly 80 hp from the engine to the rear wheels, and it has a weight penalty of over 60lbs vs the C4.

And, with 14lb clutch drums its not a happy camper at high rpms. Now do you see why its not the best for a small engine?

You can build a cheap C4 that can handle well over 500hp, and you should be able to swap out the C6 to someone who is trying to restore a classic Ford.

Anyway, its your ride you can do what you want, but I'm trying to help. If you want to know how to hop up a C4 just send me a PM.

I don't want to hijack the thread but had a question for you mtrain. I've been looking into engine swap options for my Ranger and from my research honestly the stock numbers of the 5.0HO aren't much better then the new 4.0Lv6. Is there a certain year 5.0L that is better to use as a base?

ive heard you can use any 302 and just swap out the heads with some older ones. from like the 60's and then it will wake it up some. and thanks mtrain i think ill just keep it for right now so i can use it for the mounts and everything. the mounts are the same right? and then when i plan to drive it more often then i'll see about swaping it out. but thanks for real and i'll def hit you up if i need help with the c4

It depends. Do you want an engine that you can just install, and not rebuild?

If so then the top of the line 5.0 would have to be one from a 93 Cobra.

This engine had all of the factory goodies at the time. The GT 40 intake, bigger injectors, GT40 heads, and a bit more aggressive cam. Ford did make quite a few of these Mustangs so finding one shouldn't be much of an issue.

If you can't find a 5.0 from a Cobra, then the only other choice would be just about any 5.0 from 87 to 93. Not much changed on these engines except that mass air was added in 89. The 87-88 engines were speed density which made more hp than the mass air engines, but you would have a hard time modding them over a mass air setup.

Personally I think I would go with a newer mod motor. The Cobra engine in particular since it had a forged steel crank, quad valves, and cams. These engines are really smooth, and will handle quite a bit of hp, not to mention the wow factor under the hood.

I believe the mod engine would fit fine, and if your really lucky and can get one for a good buy I would get an 03 Terminator Cobra engine. These bad boys had ALL the good stuff. Manley forged rods, forged pistons, forged crank, and the supercharger.

The heads from the 60's really didn't have too much of an advantage. The only thing good was a smaller combustion chambers. Also you would have to install hardened valve seats.

makes sense lol and i was thinkin bout what you said with the c6 and to be honest in a mazda it wouldnt matter if it robbed 80 horse or if it weight so much right? i mean the stock motor has 95 horse or something like that so you figure a 302 has in the 2's minus 80 would still be more than the original. i mean i may be lookin at this wrong im just trying to ask questions not argue. and i mean you seem to be the one to ask looking at your vehical line up.lol then even with the c6 and the 302 i could do small mods to the 302 and have it not worrying bout the c6 at all. but then again the added weight of the c6 would put it closer to the same as the mustang it came from right? idk just pondering stuff.

There is no problem with me for you asking questions as that is how we learn. I can tell you what I know, but you will have to make the decision as to what you want to do.

The C4 is an incredibly simple tranny. I can give you a shift kit for one, as all it is basically is the instruction's and a steel check ball.

If your running a stock 302/5.0l the factory HP is lets say 225hp for the late model Mustang. Then you kill about 80 hp to the wheels, then the 225 hp becomes 145 hp plus you now have more weight in your b with the V8, and one of the heaviest tranny to come out of a Ford, and your not comming out as far ahead as I think you would want.

Now if the C4 was a rare bird that only came in Shelby's, or limited run Fords then it would be a different matter, but Ford made plenty of them, and there are aftermarket parts galore. Or, if your were building a 1k hp engine, then 80 hp lost wouldn't be very noticeable.