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Mazda Projects \ Slam Specialty(UPDATE: 7-21-08)Slam Specialty(UPDATE: 7-21-08)
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sleepyspeed
+1y
it's cool, I'm sure there is variations to what I said but it's all basically the same the lining needs to be heat cycled
hex0rz
+1y
I sieze! Thanks for the info. Must get cleaned up and get ready to hit her hard tomorrow!
hex0rz
+1y
Last night I found out that the breaks need to be taken easy for the first 100 miles... lol. Thats from a wikipedia article...
The blitzluft valves go to 280 psi.
The blitzluft valves go to 280 psi.
hex0rz
+1y
UPDATE!
Well, its great to have the Bscene back! While it was down I encountered way too much to handle without the scenes opinions!
So really, I don't have the greatest news!
I'll let some of the pics explain!
So.. in summary, my lower link bars bushings split! The plates on the bars are warped too much because of cooling it with water when I welded. I know, thats my fault.
The upper bag plates are down too low and hence why the truck does'nt layout!!!!!!!! It would'nt matter if I fixed it too, cause I'd have to redo the notches for more axle clearance!
Somewhere along the lines I could have my 4-link messed up cause one side is sitting out to one side than the other? Really, I pretty much have a hacked up rear end IMO.
I don't get how the math I used to figure out the notch size and whatnot could have been wrong? I even asked you guys if the notch looked okay, I don't get why it does'nt have enough clearance and why it does'nt lay?
I jacked up the rearend with 1.5" axle clearance like I built it according to the notch size from the math I used. So from there I used a 3" tall piece of 2x4 and set it on the lower bag plate and welded in the top. So really, it should have been fine and layout!
I'm pretty pissed about it all and I'm confused about the whole situation. I need some opinions and some possible solutions cause I'm not gonna leave it this way!
To me, my options are:
1. I cut out the upper bag plates and move it up higher. Cut out the notches and REDO them. Get new lower link bars with bushings on BOTH ends and get lower bag plates. Figure out wtf is going on with the 4-link...
2. Leave it as it sits and have truck that does'nt lay... Figure out wtf is up with the 4-link.
3. Get smaller OD wheels so it will lay and have a low scrub line. Change out the speedo gear so I'm not 10mph off!
4. Crush the damn truck...
Well on the flip side, I started on the front and 'am getting the right side going. Above you could see the pics and where I'm at on it. I cut quit a bit out of the control arm so its got plenty of travel and will certainly layout HARD!
Someone... HELP!
BTW, atleast I have one good thing. My pinion only changes 3 degrees from fillt drop to full lift!
Well, its great to have the Bscene back! While it was down I encountered way too much to handle without the scenes opinions!
So really, I don't have the greatest news!
I'll let some of the pics explain!
So.. in summary, my lower link bars bushings split! The plates on the bars are warped too much because of cooling it with water when I welded. I know, thats my fault.
The upper bag plates are down too low and hence why the truck does'nt layout!!!!!!!! It would'nt matter if I fixed it too, cause I'd have to redo the notches for more axle clearance!
Somewhere along the lines I could have my 4-link messed up cause one side is sitting out to one side than the other? Really, I pretty much have a hacked up rear end IMO.
I don't get how the math I used to figure out the notch size and whatnot could have been wrong? I even asked you guys if the notch looked okay, I don't get why it does'nt have enough clearance and why it does'nt lay?
I jacked up the rearend with 1.5" axle clearance like I built it according to the notch size from the math I used. So from there I used a 3" tall piece of 2x4 and set it on the lower bag plate and welded in the top. So really, it should have been fine and layout!
I'm pretty pissed about it all and I'm confused about the whole situation. I need some opinions and some possible solutions cause I'm not gonna leave it this way!
To me, my options are:
1. I cut out the upper bag plates and move it up higher. Cut out the notches and REDO them. Get new lower link bars with bushings on BOTH ends and get lower bag plates. Figure out wtf is going on with the 4-link...
2. Leave it as it sits and have truck that does'nt lay... Figure out wtf is up with the 4-link.
3. Get smaller OD wheels so it will lay and have a low scrub line. Change out the speedo gear so I'm not 10mph off!
4. Crush the damn truck...
Well on the flip side, I started on the front and 'am getting the right side going. Above you could see the pics and where I'm at on it. I cut quit a bit out of the control arm so its got plenty of travel and will certainly layout HARD!
Someone... HELP!
BTW, atleast I have one good thing. My pinion only changes 3 degrees from fillt drop to full lift!
immortal1 (linn)
+1y
Well, at least the pinion angle is good
4. Don't crush the truck!!!!!!!!!!!
3. Don't like this option either!
2. It's gotta lay man!
1. Still trying to figure this one out. The front bushing split, so the lower link twisted which is why the bottow bag mount is at an angle? Now you say the plates on the bars are warped? can't really tell in the pics.
Now an option you might have is - does the lower link bar have to be straight? Seems to me, you went to a lot of work to get the mounts in the right place to get the angles correct, why change it. Use a lower bar that is intentially bent to give you the bag clearance you need. Now this will only work if your axel will physically go high enough to lay the frame (i.e. - take the bags out, does the truck lay out?). Will help if I can, but would definately like to hear what Twisted has to say.
4. Don't crush the truck!!!!!!!!!!!
3. Don't like this option either!
2. It's gotta lay man!
1. Still trying to figure this one out. The front bushing split, so the lower link twisted which is why the bottow bag mount is at an angle? Now you say the plates on the bars are warped? can't really tell in the pics.
Now an option you might have is - does the lower link bar have to be straight? Seems to me, you went to a lot of work to get the mounts in the right place to get the angles correct, why change it. Use a lower bar that is intentially bent to give you the bag clearance you need. Now this will only work if your axel will physically go high enough to lay the frame (i.e. - take the bags out, does the truck lay out?). Will help if I can, but would definately like to hear what Twisted has to say.
hex0rz
+1y
The only thing I can think of as to why the bushings split is because the bushing sleeve is'nt long enough and only 1 per link bar. In my theory there is just to much torsional twist force on the link causing it to split.
No, what I'am saying is that when I welded on the lower bag plates to the link bars I welded it in hot. Then I took it over to some water to cool it off. Without it naturally cooling down the plates warped because of being cooled so quickly. I admit, that was a totally idiotic mistake to do! Because of this, where the plates were welded onto the link bar is pretty much the only flat surface. Where the plates have holes to bolt the bag onto it is not perpindicular to the link bar. Make sense?
So what happens is that since the bag has to sit at an angle because of the mounting points on the lower link bars, I think that it was just too much for the bushings to handle. Hence why they split. They could have split the first time I lifted it, but I did'nt notice until after I took it around the block. Thats when I found out I did'nt lay!
So with the warped lower plates and split bushings, the link bar sits way crooked inside. If fixed, it would probably allow me to sit lower since the bags would sit collapsed on itself, but I still don't think there is enough axle clearance!
Like I said, the notches will still limit me from laying since I'm like 3 or so inches from laying frame and less than an inch of axle clearance... So the notches will have to be redone as well to lay out...
I figure:
- New notches
- New rear bag brackets
- New 1.5" tubing crossmember for shocks and D shape tabs for upper shock mounts
- 2 new lower link bars with bushing ends made to the length I have now. Thick enough and or gusseted to withstand stress...
Thats probably a $200-$300 mistake...
So you can see why I'm really pissed off... Wish I thought about seeing if it would have laid with everything tacked in...
Well, whatever the case, this has caused me to get motivated and buy another truck for a daily until I can sort this out. Money is gonna get too low for my comfort so I'm probably gonna pick a job up soon too. So this is gonna get put on hold until I have free days from work... We'll see though... sigh.
No, what I'am saying is that when I welded on the lower bag plates to the link bars I welded it in hot. Then I took it over to some water to cool it off. Without it naturally cooling down the plates warped because of being cooled so quickly. I admit, that was a totally idiotic mistake to do! Because of this, where the plates were welded onto the link bar is pretty much the only flat surface. Where the plates have holes to bolt the bag onto it is not perpindicular to the link bar. Make sense?
So what happens is that since the bag has to sit at an angle because of the mounting points on the lower link bars, I think that it was just too much for the bushings to handle. Hence why they split. They could have split the first time I lifted it, but I did'nt notice until after I took it around the block. Thats when I found out I did'nt lay!
So with the warped lower plates and split bushings, the link bar sits way crooked inside. If fixed, it would probably allow me to sit lower since the bags would sit collapsed on itself, but I still don't think there is enough axle clearance!
Like I said, the notches will still limit me from laying since I'm like 3 or so inches from laying frame and less than an inch of axle clearance... So the notches will have to be redone as well to lay out...
I figure:
- New notches
- New rear bag brackets
- New 1.5" tubing crossmember for shocks and D shape tabs for upper shock mounts
- 2 new lower link bars with bushing ends made to the length I have now. Thick enough and or gusseted to withstand stress...
Thats probably a $200-$300 mistake...
So you can see why I'm really pissed off... Wish I thought about seeing if it would have laid with everything tacked in...
Well, whatever the case, this has caused me to get motivated and buy another truck for a daily until I can sort this out. Money is gonna get too low for my comfort so I'm probably gonna pick a job up soon too. So this is gonna get put on hold until I have free days from work... We'll see though... sigh.
immortal1 (linn)
+1y
Now I understand about the lower bag mounts.
And like you said above, nothing else will matter if the notch is not high enough. As you stated earlier, it sounded like you did all the math correctly so it is difficult to understand why you would be 2+ inches off on the notch clearance. Can't say your notched looked that much shorter that my daughters truck and her notch is enought to lay on 20" with a small tire.
What size rim / tire combo are you running?
Now I understand about the lower bag mounts.
And like you said above, nothing else will matter if the notch is not high enough. As you stated earlier, it sounded like you did all the math correctly so it is difficult to understand why you would be 2+ inches off on the notch clearance. Can't say your notched looked that much shorter that my daughters truck and her notch is enought to lay on 20" with a small tire.
What size rim / tire combo are you running?