McCain vs Obama

Edited: 9/1/2008 1:44:41 PM by BIG SHAWN

Edited: 9/1/2008 1:51:41 PM by bgp1mpin

a response to ice: oil companies aren't running up the oil prices its middle men speculators who are buying the oil before its out of the ground its commodities trading same thing that happens to orange juice beef corn soy and everything else this country produces while the oil companies do benefit from the high prices its the middle men that have the power over the price of oil not oil companies

most of it is because our dollar is worth 25 cents compared to the 2000 dollar. there is some speculation yes, but its mostly the worthlessness of the dollar. Gold was 250 an ounce. now its 833 and climbing again. it was over 1000 an ounce a few weeks ago.

no its mostly speculators due to CLINTON letting it on the stock market not bush. bush had nothing to do with it. and china caused are gas to go up by buying up oil in preperation for the olympics. anyone notice a few days into the olympic gas prices started going down.....obamanation cult members never find out the facts before speaking or typing. "ITS A GOOD THING FOR OBAMA SOME PEOPLE DONT THINK"

Edited: 9/1/2008 7:29:05 PM by tuckntiremaz

All I hear from you guys is what the radio and media spit out everyday.Watch this and you will see what I mean.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEsEvb1WsIY

http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegoldnewyork.html
then go here and click on the 10 year gold chart.
Speculation my butt.

Funny how my vote isn't going to matter. I'm voting for McCain, but since I live in IL it doesn't matter. IL is always a blue state. Man Chicago sure sucks. IL doesn't care about anyone south of Springfield. The roads prove it!! LOL.

Originally posted by JPeventsxx



I don't know at this point who I will vote for and more importantly the electoral will decide anyway, but ponder on this.

1. If McCain pushes daises during his term, his vp has no experience with foreign affairs. Dealing with native people in Alaska does not count.

2. If Obama win's he has no real deep experience in foreign affairs either.

3. This country gave Bush two terms and he had no experience at all.

I think we should vote for the candidate that has the right strategic exit plan to get out of the middle east. I believe that we were sold a bill goods( I voted for bush) as it relates to weapons of mass destruction and now we spend millions of tax dollars on justifying a bad decision.

The electoral college will vote for the president of their choice, so we can get this thread to 100 pages and it's not going to matter.

JP



Bush had no experience at all? he was the governor of the second most populated state in the country, and his dad was president. Thats more experience than any of these fuckers. Also, why would the worst president ever get 2 terms? if he was the worst ever dont you think he would have lost by a landslide for his re-election? good try, some of you guys watch to much cnn.

Originally posted by Big Rik



The other thing that bothers me about all this, people talk about how Bush did this or that. How do we so quickly forget that after 9/11 he had the highest approval rating of any other American president in history.

When we went to war in Afghanistan the country supported it full force, same when we first went into Iraq. Im not saying the public was misled, but we supported it by the millions, we cheered our troops on, played that Toby Keith song, we flew flags. Now all we do is bitch bitch bitch.

Our boys are there doing the job they new existed, and they may be called upon to do regardless of the circumstances. I support our troops, and damn sure hope whoever is elected does the same.

Someone sitting behind a fucking desk has no idea whats its like to having bullets whizzing at them from every angle, or know what its like to have a brother die in your arms. They want to pull the troops out, they say this not because they want to, because they want you to believe it.

Everyone, even the Dems have said they know we cant just up and pull out, but people think thats whats going to happen if they get into office. That will cost more of our troops lives that the war already.

Im so sick of hearing these cowardly desk jockeys claim to know whats right and wrong, at least McCain has done his time in the service and even more so was a POW, you better belive if he does something realted to our military its going to have some thought behind it instead of the influence of the american public and the thoughts of someone who has never been in combat. For gods sake Obama has done things (the national anthem incident just to name one) that if had been done in the aftermath of 9/11 and him running for office he would have been strung up from the town square and put on public display.

Think hard about this decision.

well said, i'd love to hear everyone complaining if we DIDN'T go into iraq. people would be bitchin about how crazy saddam is and how we have to do something about it.

Originally posted by bgp1mpin



Edited: 9/1/2008 1:51:41 PM by bgp1mpin

a response to ice: oil companies aren't running up the oil prices its middle men speculators who are buying the oil before its out of the ground its commodities trading same thing that happens to orange juice beef corn soy and everything else this country produces while the oil companies do benefit from the high prices its the middle men that have the power over the price of oil not oil companies



it was just a fig of speech. But i know all about the oil business... or most of it , or some of it , or just what i can read on the News / stock markets on the net....its not just the speculators whos driving up the prices .... after reading many many articles , theres alot of factors why gas is so high....the main thing , is the Greedy people , from OPEC , oil companies, government and etc...but it kills me that in 2007 if you divide up the total profit that Exon had, it would equal $1007 per second for the whole year.... thats just profit...read this and see what theyre doing this yearhttp://www.al.com/opinion/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1219915009317820.xml&coll=1its funny how i live off the gulf and hear from many Oil workers how they find oil , and pressurize them and cap them off and move onto another area, but yet claiming tight supplies...its funny how much tight supplies we suppose to have and we're selling refined oil to other countries?here you go , read this or similar article ....http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7768643basicly OPEC is worried that oil will be under $100 barrel soon, so theyre gonna cut productions to make supplies tighter so they can keep the price high.

so Specs are not the only ones driving the oil / gas up.... its Everyone thats in this greedy market....

but i know this is not what this thread is about.... but i just wanted to shed some light since i got called out some.. lol... dont get me wrong, im not getting mad or anything... just explain my side / point ...

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