air 2 recycled air that is

i always though about this idea, just never though any one would figure out how to make it work, i dont know how it works, but so far havent seen a more eficent system the an oasis compressor and the basic setups.

if it would work, i would run the system.

mmmk let me cover some already expressed ideas and c if i can help solve the situation or give someone else a better idea as how to pull this off. Not to take or steal anyones credit but ive thought this idea up as well like 3 yrs ago. but in your "supercharge tank" u say regulate it at we will say 50% and when u dump your bags only go down 50% of the way and wont lay how about add another tank yes were getting more crap pilled up but anyways have the two tanks take half 50 and the other 50 and then the bag will fully collapse. or is it possible to get a tank that can hold all that pressure then have some kind of a regulator to only feed so much of that pressure to the compressor then u would have it to where to will recycle without tearing anything up. Now here is my question when first installing wouldnt u run the compressor till it fills your tank up then cycle that air to your reserved air tank then suck new air into your first tank then hook it up to where it circulates so when u use it the pump is already pumping the used air to be re-used. Just trying to crack the cookie here.

the second tank would equalize as well, so it'd take 25% of the initial bag pressure...

Originally posted by IDRAG4U



I do not get it, there is a video showing a gauge, yes it fills fast but he is running a engine driven and two 380's it does not seem that quick. And there is no explanation on what the hell he is doing.

A stock York 209 EDC at 2K RPM is 6.79CFM at 140PSIA stock Viair 380 is 0.60CFM at 140PSI X2 is 1.2CFM at 140PSI

1.2CFM + 6.79 = 7.99CFM at 140PSITo fill a 12 gal from 120-200PSI on a 12 gal is 1 min 23 sec.

Boosted in the video it is filling from 120-200 on a 12 gal in 15 sec. That is 54.28CFM at 160PSI A lot faster then stock.



Originally posted by aftershock



its is reusing air coming from the dump valves which is put in an external tank which is pressure regulated with a small blow-off...the way i see it, the reserve tank pretty much supercharges the 380s, tricky part is at what pressure do you need it to be to have optimum flow w/o blowing your compressor to pieces ha-ha

i don

i guess if ur a switch whore its worth it, either way you are a real smart guy

like said before i would think about it if i was a switch whore

also how much for this "kit"???

First off, Franklin was not trying to re-invent the wheel.

As I stated before, this goal may be somewhat possible, however, I still don't see how you can tell me that they will save money by adding all these extra components and the more connections you have the MORE possibility of air leaks.

Yeah it would be a great concept. But how much room do you have for something like this. A basic setup in most mini trucks and cars take up a decent amount of space because of the akward nature of the components. In the long run you still have not convinced me that is is worth while.

You get what you pay for.

And you said yourself 100% reuse is not possible. Therefore the system in inefficent from the start of the design.

Do you REALLY need that much air? REALLY?

I had two SMALL thomas or whatever those little guys were when I first put cans on my Civic, and those suckers could air my tank in under 3 min from almost empty.

When your driving and you have a PSI switch, you don't need a constant supply of air, it kicks on when you need it.

If someone is using the switches that much you are talking about hoppin competion, and either you juice it, or you use compressed nitrogen like Scrape-N-Customs did for the civic that they could flip over.

So to recap:

A. 100% reuse is not possible

B. More connections = More Leaks

C. More components = More $$$

D. SPACE CONCERNS

Dude, I am all for innovention, but really man, I personally think they are other options to be explored like LIQUID NITROGEN.

A small bottle of LIQUID NITROGEN when off gassed could created enough compressed gas to give you a bunch of ups.

I mean you would have to do the math on it, and by all means I am not a chemist, but I work with them, and I have seen the possibilities.

Of course all of this is can be a safety concern. Especially liquid nitrogen, it's probably not something you want to drive around with.

But then again, people are driving around with nitrogen, and even though that is an inert gas, it would not be pretty in an accident.

Anyways dude, good luck at the holy grail of air recycling.

Edited: 8/12/2005 2:30:42 PM by Waldog25

Ooops Double Post...

Originally posted by Wicked Fantacies



mmmk let me cover some already expressed ideas and c if i can help solve the situation or give someone else a better idea as how to pull this off. Not to take or steal anyones credit but ive thought this idea up as well like 3 yrs ago. but in your "supercharge tank" u say regulate it at we will say 50% and when u dump your bags only go down 50% of the way and wont lay how about add another tank yes were getting more crap pilled up but anyways have the two tanks take half 50 and the other 50 and then the bag will fully collapse. or is it possible to get a tank that can hold all that pressure then have some kind of a regulator to only feed so much of that pressure to the compressor then u would have it to where to will recycle without tearing anything up. Now here is my question when first installing wouldnt u run the compressor till it fills your tank up then cycle that air to your reserved air tank then suck new air into your first tank then hook it up to where it circulates so when u use it the pump is already pumping the used air to be re-used. Just trying to crack the cookie here.

All I can say is you are kinda on the right track,

But here are some numbers,

If you have a 2B7 size bag that is about 0.489 gal I will say 0.5 for ease.Now a 2B7 filled at 150PSI dumped into a 12 gal tank at 0 would = 5 PSI in the catch tank and bag.Now if you dump again from 150 to the 12 gal with 5PSI you get 11.538PSI in the tank.Still well below lift pressure.

One thing to remember volume and pressure are related.

example 1 gal at 100PSI is the same as a 12 gal at 8.33 PSI both have the same potential energy.

Okay, i'm kicking myself for not considering the volume change in the boost tank.... BUT, now my question would be: you say there's a magic psi for boost, but from the numbers you gave, it seems it would be next to impossible to truly maintain any kind of pressure at all unless you were dancing your system non-stop... SO is it safe to assume that under normal use you would not see any (or minimal) gain in fill speed? I'm not complaining about that since you wouldn't need it for normal use, but I just want to understand what your doing here...