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Air Ride Suspensions \ Anyone need cast spindles sectioned???Anyone need cast spindles sectioned???
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BioMax
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Look, I've recently been in an on-line argument simillar to this. What you guys are not taking into consideration is the engineering that goes into the modification.
Danny, I would be willing to bet my best donkey that the part did not fail at the weld, but instead broke on either side of the plate/gusset.
If the plates are not extended far enough as to eliminate a "stress riser" it will, at some point, break.
A stress riser is anything that "sees" concentrated stress. If you bend a piece of uncooked spaghetti by it's ends, it will bend suprisingly far, but if you hold the spaghetti with only an inch to bend it will break right away. By moving you hands closer you are efectively creating a stress riser. The stock spindle used to have a smooth uninterupted taper that was engineered for the best strength to weight ratio. Now the part has a really strong part right in the middle of the taper. On either side of the plates is now just a "strong" as it used to be, but now it is a point of concentrated "stress." All of the issues could be cured by running the plates from the very top to the point where the knuckle starts getting big. That is called engineering. Does that all makes sence?
Danny, I would be willing to bet my best donkey that the part did not fail at the weld, but instead broke on either side of the plate/gusset.
If the plates are not extended far enough as to eliminate a "stress riser" it will, at some point, break.
A stress riser is anything that "sees" concentrated stress. If you bend a piece of uncooked spaghetti by it's ends, it will bend suprisingly far, but if you hold the spaghetti with only an inch to bend it will break right away. By moving you hands closer you are efectively creating a stress riser. The stock spindle used to have a smooth uninterupted taper that was engineered for the best strength to weight ratio. Now the part has a really strong part right in the middle of the taper. On either side of the plates is now just a "strong" as it used to be, but now it is a point of concentrated "stress." All of the issues could be cured by running the plates from the very top to the point where the knuckle starts getting big. That is called engineering. Does that all makes sence?
killerc10
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IT IS FUNNY HOW ON THIS FORUM EVERYONE IS A EXPERT! NOT JUST THIS TOPIC BUT OTHER ONES AS WELL.HOW ABOUT JUST FREINDLY ADVISE INSTEAD OF HATIN ON EACH OTHER
nryota
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i cant belive i just sat hear and read all of this thinking it was goin somewhere, when in fact it went nowhere, sure am glad i dont own a honda
BUILTON24S
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as goes for anythign welded 90% of the time breaks within an inch from the weld..but DROPPED00CIVIC maybe i didnt read the whole post but i dont think they are arguing with you that it isnt bulletproof.I for one had my civic spindle sectioned years back and it broke 3 days after welding it...rewelded and gusseted it more then never had any issues thank god...i think these guys are willing to take the risk to do what it takes to get to that level...i dont think there guarenteing to people there life is safe with these spindles
tukn18saccord
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well i can agree with some of what has been said and biomax your right it didnt break on the weld but about 1/4 inch from it on the top section, my buddy in lex the place where it was plated broke right off and the other side bent, but that was probally from the ride in the median, im not saying they wont work if done right, im just putting in my opinion that i dont trust them and i have seen them break more than once, im no expert and dont claim to be, just want to make sure that people are riding safe thats all so hate me if you want thats your choice. that why now i do my own work so i know its done right the first time.
balcar
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I would bet on donkeys also, also midgets.
Everything asside, anyone have pics of one that broke? I'd be curious to pick appart a broken one. Also this seems to be a mod that allot of honda guys, seems like someone should build a spindle.. (hinting toward max).....
Everything asside, anyone have pics of one that broke? I'd be curious to pick appart a broken one. Also this seems to be a mod that allot of honda guys, seems like someone should build a spindle.. (hinting toward max).....
91hatch
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Originally posted by BioMax
Look, I've recently been in an on-line argument simillar to this. What you guys are not taking into consideration is the engineering that goes into the modification.
Danny, I would be willing to bet my best donkey that the part did not fail at the weld, but instead broke on either side of the plate/gusset.
If the plates are not extended far enough as to eliminate a "stress riser" it will, at some point, break.
A stress riser is anything that "sees" concentrated stress. If you bend a piece of uncooked spaghetti by it's ends, it will bend suprisingly far, but if you hold the spaghetti with only an inch to bend it will break right away. By moving you hands closer you are efectively creating a stress riser. The stock spindle used to have a smooth uninterupted taper that was engineered for the best strength to weight ratio. Now the part has a really strong part right in the middle of the taper. On either side of the plates is now just a "strong" as it used to be, but now it is a point of concentrated "stress." All of the issues could be cured by running the plates from the very top to the point where the knuckle starts getting big. That is called engineering. Does that all makes sence?
I'll raise his bet 2 young camels and a hand grenade. I couldn't have said it better myself. If there are any other MEs on here I know they'd agree. His spindles may work and they're not intended to be 100k mile replacemnts. If you want to get low and slow buy 'em. I have nothing against harryballs or his work. Probably gets the job done decently but like I said, not too sure if I'd daily 'em or go flyin down the highway at 100+.
Look, I've recently been in an on-line argument simillar to this. What you guys are not taking into consideration is the engineering that goes into the modification.
Danny, I would be willing to bet my best donkey that the part did not fail at the weld, but instead broke on either side of the plate/gusset.
If the plates are not extended far enough as to eliminate a "stress riser" it will, at some point, break.
A stress riser is anything that "sees" concentrated stress. If you bend a piece of uncooked spaghetti by it's ends, it will bend suprisingly far, but if you hold the spaghetti with only an inch to bend it will break right away. By moving you hands closer you are efectively creating a stress riser. The stock spindle used to have a smooth uninterupted taper that was engineered for the best strength to weight ratio. Now the part has a really strong part right in the middle of the taper. On either side of the plates is now just a "strong" as it used to be, but now it is a point of concentrated "stress." All of the issues could be cured by running the plates from the very top to the point where the knuckle starts getting big. That is called engineering. Does that all makes sence?
I'll raise his bet 2 young camels and a hand grenade. I couldn't have said it better myself. If there are any other MEs on here I know they'd agree. His spindles may work and they're not intended to be 100k mile replacemnts. If you want to get low and slow buy 'em. I have nothing against harryballs or his work. Probably gets the job done decently but like I said, not too sure if I'd daily 'em or go flyin down the highway at 100+.
Severed701
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im so glad that max is on this board and able to give some CORRECT information (not that other people dont..but he has ALOT of it lol)and ive seen that dropped00civic guy giving out alot of false info on these forums...