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fabricationnation   +1y
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Low_SST said:

Edited: 10/24/2010 4:08:48 PM by Low_SST

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So, i assume you are getting these pieces heat treated after words ? because you and I both know that welding a grade 8 bolt in any way makes it EXTREMELY unreliable, and is known to be an unacceptable practice in any industry. It greatly reduces its stregnth, and makes it much more likely to snap. Being that they are holding the front suspension together, I personally wouldnt beable to sleep at night knowing that.

Taylor





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not when you weld them with wire made from unicorn horns haha.

I love that we get spoken to like were idiots. Metallurgy, whats that? Press fit tolerances, for amateurs. Its ok, im gonna get one of the cups from Steve and run my cmm over it then cut it in half to get a better shot of these grooves (shitty machine work).



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do whatever you like. I said many times I dont use that style of balljoint cup anymore plus Ive offered a number of times to replace it. so stick the unicorn wherever you like. another person that does not need to post here.



jeebus @ mmw   +1y
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fabricationnation said:

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Chopped Mazda said:

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fabricationnation said:

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Chopped Mazda said:

Edited: 10/24/2010 2:37:24 PM by Chopped Mazda

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fabricationnation said:





yep and they work great. They are beveled and welded with alot of heat and lots of wire. They are strong as hell. so dont even start.

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LOL

Whatever you have to say to convince yourself.

How do you hold the threaded parts in place? are you atleast machining those on the end of the shafts, or are you sliding bolts in them and welding them?

Good luck mike, hope everything goes well.





Taylor



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I press a grade 8 bolt into a piece of DOM tube and its beveled and tig welded in. then the tube is turned down to a very small size and welded to the uprights. The center piece is notched and beveled. This works great although it does not look as nice as one piece CNC made crossbars.

welded parts are an accepted practice all across industry. many things are welded then machined including all kinds of industrial equipment.

Taylor I invite you to email me about this.



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So, i assume you are getting these pieces heat treated after words ? because you and I both know that welding a grade 8 bolt in any way makes it EXTREMELY unreliable, and is known to be an unacceptable practice in any industry. It greatly reduces its stregnth, and makes it much more likely to snap. Being that they are holding the front suspension together, I personally wouldnt beable to sleep at night knowing that.

Taylor





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No its not holding the front suspension together. Its simply holding the washer on the bushing. It does keep the bushing from sliding back and forth. But there is very little pressure side to side on that bushing. I have these heat treated as a whole unit after welding. But the bolts are sent to me pre treated so I can weld them. Same place that treats our armor materials for testing.

you wouldnt be able to sleep? come on man thats just drama....

the bolt has no stress from side to side. its holding a bushing washer in place. its not like a bolt thats an actual part of a suspension. The bolt is made with no head on it and is only grade 8 after its treated at the end.

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Dude the bottom line is, your building parts for other people to use. Once there out of your hands, all your theroys and assumptions get throw out the window. I can promise you that if one of those bolts snapped, that upper control arm could come off of that shaft when going around a corner. there is a reason that they are there. If there was no force on them, they just wouldnt be there.

Im going to be honest, i dont believe that you harden these after your done. Your price just does not reflect it. And heat treating one piece of a time would either mean your paying out of your ass to do it, or your doing it yourself.....yea. You never mentioned it earlier, and its not mentioned on your site anywhere, it seems like that is something you would want to note for people when there buying your parts...

No man, i wouldnt be able to sleep at night knowing that i consciously produced a part that could break that easily.









fabricationnation   +1y
It seems there are people that will never be pleased. You make parts and make them better every time you get the chance.

if something goes wrong you fix it and move on. thats what Ive done and will continue to do.

its a witch hunt in here and Im sick of it. everything said Ive had a good explanation for.

no matter what your opinion on the way I CURRENTLY make balljoint cups it only matter how I want to make them and how they work. I have had ZERO failures of balljoint cups.

I have a high percentage of BYC old orders covered and Im doing very well at DHP with the exception of time. Ive made changes to help that and I continue to improve my product.

You cant call me out for BYC stuff because I took care of issues that came up. You cant call me out for DHP stuff because I have changed anything that was an issue there.

This thread has turned into nothing more than a hate fest with no basis.


if any of you have an issue I challenge you to get the balls up to take it off here and email me personally.

Im done arguing here over and over, proving my point in multiple ways and then having it all ignored. Go do whatever you want to do and if you have any issues with anything I made then email me about it.
draggincraze   +1y
before all the straws run out and this thread is closed i email you today and havent go a response back yet could you please check your email and respond to let me know what further action can take place to get my 2005 s10 control arm order rolling??
unusualfabrication   +1y
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fabricationnation said:

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UnusualFabrication said:

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fabricationnation said:

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UnusualFabrication said:

Again I am just addressing the questions you asked of me, not trying to add more to the thread.

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great, and I addressed what you said. There is now and was then a process for dealing with parts that failed. At the time an email or phone call would have been the proper thing to do. I understand that you chose not to do either, probably due to the perception of BYC at the time or other reasons. I feel it was so that you could repair them yourself and post pics to try and make me look bad. Hey I really dont blame you for that. I may have done the same thing if someone sold me a part that failed later. If I could have repaired it and made it better and made you look bad at the same time I may have taken the opportunity to do so. so again I dont blame you.

But I have shown on multiple occasions the reason that arm failed and Ive also offered the solutions which I implemented IMMEDIATELY in 2005. I regret not doing more research into making stronger arms. But at the time there werent many people making arms. So I did not have many people to discuss the design with.

I now have many years of experience and have had no issues since then with S-10 arms. I have little issues every now and then with other styles of arms and all are addressed quickly. Usually these days I do lots of test installs and try to break arms or abuse them to make them fail.

Im not a multimillion dollar corporation so testing is limited to what I can do with a vehicle.

The parts I make now are very good and work well.

This thread needs to be closed because I have done everything I can do to answer any questions and answered them many times in many ways. I have addressed issues until they have been beaten into the ground.

I feel that my actions and reasons have been 100% justified and feel there is no good that can come from discussing any of it further.

I welcome any emails from any of you guys and Id like to keep this going that way to discuss anything you guys think may help me.

If you dont want to help then theres no reason to continue here.

If you do want to help then please email me.

This will probably be my last post here and I hope Brandt closes it down.





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Another prime example, boo hoo, whoa is me, everyone is out to get me and make me look bad. NOT the case! Why would I send busted arms from Michigan to Texas not knowing wether I would get them back or not or how long it would take? Or I could just cut out the bad balljoint plates, notch the tubes, and make a quality repair in just a few hours and get them back on the truck. The case with the Nissan arms, poorly engineered parts that broke. Solution, make new arms myself! Why hassle with shipping, repairing, waiting for who knows how long, and shipping back? I still have the Nissan arms are you going to replace them for me?

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its "woe is me" no a in there.

yes many people on here are out to get me or make me look bad. too bad for them that I have my ducks in a row. You keep deflecting the point on the arms. I did everything I could have done at the time to take care of the issues. I immediately changed the way they were made, just like any manufacturer that builds parts will do when something is wrong. I also payed shipping both ways. some manufacturers wont do that.

Yes the flamed arms should not have a plate with that amount of metal in that area.

I understand why you did not want to send them to me but I still say you wanted to post your problem and your fix to get in a dig at me. It looks that way to me and anyone else that looks at the thing in whole.

If you want the Nissan arms replaced just send them to me and I will replace them. You know that and have known that for years.

You can say all you want but I did exacly what any good business should do in that case and continue to do.

keep trying, your running out of straws...

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Sorry there spelling master, these are the types of posts that make you look unprofessional. Whats the point really, anyone could pick apart your posts that are full of poor spelling and bad grammer and dog you out but they don't. Also how can you assume that someone else knows something? Its foolish for you to assume things and that makes you look even more foolish. Do you expect people to check your website everyday to see if one of your products is recalled? If so thats just insane!

Give me a shipping address and i'll gladly send you these broken Nissan arms for replacement arms.
fabricationnation   +1y
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draggincraze said:

before all the straws run out and this thread is closed i email you today and havent go a response back yet could you please check your email and respond to let me know what further action can take place to get my 2005 s10 control arm order rolling??

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yep, Ive checked my email all day and havent seen any about S-10 arms. mike@dallashotrodparts.com

post your email here just in case.

Other than BYC or DHP stuff nobody else is supposed to be posting here but its turned into something other than that.

jeebus @ mmw   +1y
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UnusualFabrication said:



Sorry there spelling master, these are the types of posts that make you look unprofessional. Whats the point really, anyone could pick apart your posts that are full of poor spelling and bad grammer and dog you out but they don't. Also how can you assume that someone else knows something? Its foolish for you to assume things and that makes you look even more foolish. Do you expect people to check your website everyday to see if one of your products is recalled? If so thats just insane!

Give me a shipping address and i'll gladly send you these broken Nissan arms for replacement arms.

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haha, when he starts grasping for spelling errors , you can see the hopelessness of this thread.

I hope i spelt that right....



Taylor

builtbybyc   +1y
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UnusualFabrication said:

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fabricationnation said:

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UnusualFabrication said:

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fabricationnation said:

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UnusualFabrication said:

Again I am just addressing the questions you asked of me, not trying to add more to the thread.

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great, and I addressed what you said. There is now and was then a process for dealing with parts that failed. At the time an email or phone call would have been the proper thing to do. I understand that you chose not to do either, probably due to the perception of BYC at the time or other reasons. I feel it was so that you could repair them yourself and post pics to try and make me look bad. Hey I really dont blame you for that. I may have done the same thing if someone sold me a part that failed later. If I could have repaired it and made it better and made you look bad at the same time I may have taken the opportunity to do so. so again I dont blame you.

But I have shown on multiple occasions the reason that arm failed and Ive also offered the solutions which I implemented IMMEDIATELY in 2005. I regret not doing more research into making stronger arms. But at the time there werent many people making arms. So I did not have many people to discuss the design with.

I now have many years of experience and have had no issues since then with S-10 arms. I have little issues every now and then with other styles of arms and all are addressed quickly. Usually these days I do lots of test installs and try to break arms or abuse them to make them fail.

Im not a multimillion dollar corporation so testing is limited to what I can do with a vehicle.

The parts I make now are very good and work well.

This thread needs to be closed because I have done everything I can do to answer any questions and answered them many times in many ways. I have addressed issues until they have been beaten into the ground.

I feel that my actions and reasons have been 100% justified and feel there is no good that can come from discussing any of it further.

I welcome any emails from any of you guys and Id like to keep this going that way to discuss anything you guys think may help me.

If you dont want to help then theres no reason to continue here.

If you do want to help then please email me.

This will probably be my last post here and I hope Brandt closes it down.





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Another prime example, boo hoo, whoa is me, everyone is out to get me and make me look bad. NOT the case! Why would I send busted arms from Michigan to Texas not knowing wether I would get them back or not or how long it would take? Or I could just cut out the bad balljoint plates, notch the tubes, and make a quality repair in just a few hours and get them back on the truck. The case with the Nissan arms, poorly engineered parts that broke. Solution, make new arms myself! Why hassle with shipping, repairing, waiting for who knows how long, and shipping back? I still have the Nissan arms are you going to replace them for me?

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its "woe is me" no a in there.

yes many people on here are out to get me or make me look bad. too bad for them that I have my ducks in a row. You keep deflecting the point on the arms. I did everything I could have done at the time to take care of the issues. I immediately changed the way they were made, just like any manufacturer that builds parts will do when something is wrong. I also payed shipping both ways. some manufacturers wont do that.

Yes the flamed arms should not have a plate with that amount of metal in that area.

I understand why you did not want to send them to me but I still say you wanted to post your problem and your fix to get in a dig at me. It looks that way to me and anyone else that looks at the thing in whole.

If you want the Nissan arms replaced just send them to me and I will replace them. You know that and have known that for years.

You can say all you want but I did exacly what any good business should do in that case and continue to do.

keep trying, your running out of straws...

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Sorry there spelling master, these are the types of posts that make you look unprofessional. Whats the point really, anyone could pick apart your posts that are full of poor spelling and bad grammer and dog you out but they don't. Also how can you assume that someone else knows something? Its foolish for you to assume things and that makes you look even more foolish. Do you expect people to check your website everyday to see if one of your products is recalled? If so thats just insane!

Give me a shipping address and i'll gladly send you these broken Nissan arms for replacement arms.

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sorry my home PC keeps crashing.

im not a spelling master, its when you say things like that and "woa is me" that make me respond the same way. you take it down that road first and I will go also. The difference in the spelling is when I have an error its because I hit the key next to the one I intend. o and a are clear across the keyboard from each other. I know that woe is the correct spelling and not woa. I dont use spell check and dont need it. I ignore punctuation most of the time but I do know how to spell just fine.

the recall in 2005 was posted on my site because I kept no record of when I changed the plates from style to style. I did not know what customers had what style. so I did the next best thing, post it on my site and on forums.

man the pickin's are getting pretty slim. whats next? you gonna get on me about something else thats petty or 5 years in the past?

Chris Ill keep in as professional as you but when you start with crap like that Im going to do the same.

Im done posting on this.

If you need something from me just email me. Im not doing business in here anymore. If you want the arms replaced just email me like I said before and I will handle it professionally and quickly.

Brandt I thank you for letting this go this far but Ive pointed out people who are not customers and they continue to post. Its not fair to me to allow that. Its your choice and You have been very fair.

anyone that wants to argue this more lets take it to where it can be done without non customers taking jabs.

I do what I said, improve and still get dogged by haters.

this is one reason the scene is dying and why all the other forums have become so popular. They dont allow crap like this. hell back in the old thread some asshole posted my social security number and it wasnt even deleted.

childish crap if you ask me.

yup call me that all you want but I only went to the level that someone else started first.

no more

Chris email me, Taylor email me, anyone email me and lets settle this crap where theres no audience. probably wont happen since theres nobody to look cool in front of...

Im doing very well for myself and have no regrets about BYC or DHP other than knowing I should have grown slower.

I have a much better plan now and its working great. If I made the best parts on the planet you guys would find something to talk smack about.

im done here.
builtbybyc   +1y
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Chopped Mazda said:

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UnusualFabrication said:



Sorry there spelling master, these are the types of posts that make you look unprofessional. Whats the point really, anyone could pick apart your posts that are full of poor spelling and bad grammer and dog you out but they don't. Also how can you assume that someone else knows something? Its foolish for you to assume things and that makes you look even more foolish. Do you expect people to check your website everyday to see if one of your products is recalled? If so thats just insane!

Give me a shipping address and i'll gladly send you these broken Nissan arms for replacement arms.

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haha, when he starts grasping for spelling errors , you can see the hopelessness of this thread.

I hope i spelt that right....



Taylor



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I agree, and its not spelt its spelled... lol

thats funny though.

time to end the thread
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fabricationnation said:

Brandt I put meta tags in my website for BYC and all other incarnations of it so it can be found in a search. I have posted all over forums and anyone that asked if I was BYC I showed that I am. I could not afford advertising so posting in forums was the next best thing.

I also am not as large as Chevy so letters are not needed. If I had all the old BYC customers addresses, even email addresses of phone numbers I would have. as you may know I was locked out and had no access to anything BYC except old emails which have been gone for years.

Ive put aside every dime since then to get back. I dont drive a nice car and I dont live in a big house. I use every dime to get DHP built up and take care of BYC customers. I have taken care of BYC customers as fast as I could have. maybe alot of people dont realize just how much it costs to make control arms.

This is a scene and anyone that is in the scene could easily find me if they did a simple search.

I feel like Ive done my part to get the word out.

I could not afford to make all those parts when I just opened the doors. I had trouble getting equipment to start with.

Plus many of those parts were different so I would have had to make many jigs and that just was not possible when I first reopened.



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Mike dont waste your time telling me, a web designer as a profession, about how you did your web site and what that means. I know more about your website than you do I would bet. No offense of course we are all good at something and I know more about that subject than you ever will. It would be like me trying to tell you how to fabricate. That wouldn't make sense would it.

The point you missed was that posting on your site (low traffic site at that) that you had a recall is NOT a recall, thats simply information that a customer has to STUMBLE on. Recalls involve contacting ALL customers that bought a product with info on how to get them fixed. You didn't do that, and that's fine, but you cant sit and label it a recall. Sorry but thats the reality.

Thats fine about replacing product, but from the get go I would have done it much different. Rather than buying new machines, shop, whatever you did to get going again, I would have simply refunded all old orders as you got the money, PRE-Starting back up. I wouldn't even have given the customer a choice. Here's your money back, once you opened DHP you would have been "new" free and clear owing nobody. They were free to purchase from you then if they so chose. I doubt you considered that.

I dont think you were easy to find, yes I think you could be found with a little effort but I wouldn't call it easy.