Dallas Hotrod Parts?

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fabricationnation said:

The flame arms are no longer made either for the same reason, the balljoint plate needs more metal to be strong enough for a bagged truck.

You havent seen a BYC or DHP arm break since changing to notched tubes. its a simple as that.

so yes you are trying to get a rise by posting pics of things solved back 5 plus years ago and arms that were replaced.

again, keep trying

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How can you say that a set hasn't broke since changing to notched tubes? I think you meant to say that you assume that no arms have broke. And thats my point, you keep saying the word "fact" but you have no proof, unless you polled all prior customs. You say i'm trying to get a rise by posting pics of things solved 5+ years ago but the date on the picture shows 2007, wierd, thats roughly 3 not quite 4 years ago.

As far as balljoints go, I could care less what you use. I use smooth balljoint cups and I know of other shops that make way more arms than me and they use smooth balljoint cups and none of us have any problems. My point was that you have no proof that grooves help, period. And that it seems as if you are trying to sell "snake oil" cover up some less than perfect machine work.

I really didn't want to get into any of this but since you insist on acting unprofessional in all your posts its rather frustrating.

Let me add that I dont think your attacking me. you seem to think theres a large number of people owed when I closed and there was not, that may be due to all the peeps trying to make it seem that way back in the day.

The numbers are 100% for sure less that 21 beause I used to keep track of the number in the day and at closing it was going down not up so I am positive it was at 19 or 20. I had thought 16 but got emails and would remember a name. There is no way that the number at closing was above that and lately that number is less than 5 even if that set of Isuzu arms is correct. remember back in the day people sent down payments also and checks that were never cashed.

The positive thing here is Im doing what I said and taking care of them.

Ive done everything I can to help get people to me and I think Ive done more than any other business that went bankrupt.

I dont know what else I can do. but people who are not customers should not be posting here and any other posts should be deleted.

I also cant stand here and let someone say something thats not true, customer or not.



IF YOUR A BYC CUSTOMER PLEASE CONTACT ME AND WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT, BE IT PARTS, REFUND, ETC. BUT IF YOU ATTACK ME IN HERE I WILL DEFEND MYSELF WITH EVERYTHING I HAVE BE IT EMAIL, PAPERWORK, PICTURES ETC.



overall the emails from old BYC customers have been positive.

I dont know of anything else I can do to help this along.

I do think that non BYC/DHP customers should not post here.

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UnusualFabrication said:

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fabricationnation said:

The flame arms are no longer made either for the same reason, the balljoint plate needs more metal to be strong enough for a bagged truck.

You havent seen a BYC or DHP arm break since changing to notched tubes. its a simple as that.

so yes you are trying to get a rise by posting pics of things solved back 5 plus years ago and arms that were replaced.

again, keep trying

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How can you say that a set hasn't broke since changing to notched tubes? I think you meant to say that you assume that no arms have broke. And thats my point, you keep saying the word "fact" but you have no proof, unless you polled all prior customs. You say i'm trying to get a rise by posting pics of things solved 5+ years ago but the date on the picture shows 2007, wierd, thats roughly 3 not quite 4 years ago.

As far as balljoints go, I could care less what you use. I use smooth balljoint cups and I know of other shops that make way more arms than me and they use smooth balljoint cups and none of us have any problems. My point was that you have no proof that grooves help, period. And that it seems as if you are trying to sell "snake oil" cover up some less than perfect machine work.

I really didn't want to get into any of this but since you insist on acting unprofessional in all your posts its rather frustrating.

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Yes I pointed out the date. that date means those arms made it past the time when I posted on my website that I would replace all those arms. so your rebuttal is incorrect. I am saying that the arms broke where they broke and why, not just one reason but a few different reasons. I also told what I did about it. That customer chose not to have them replaced and I dont have a clue why.

do you honestly think I dont own a tool bit for my lathe to make a smooth surface?? are you kidding?

I choose to make smooth cups for some things. do you really think I can make all the bushing sleeves I make smooth and not a cup? really?? that does not make sense at all. I make gun ports for armored vehicles from 5" DOM on my lathe with a smooth inside all the time. I turn them down to a specific size then smooth the inside. so your assumption of my machining is incorrect.

wow your really grabbing straws....



The broken balljoint plates... I mean I have not had a single customer with a broken arm since opening DHP and all the way back the the change of the S-10 arms at BYC. Since I changed to the larger plates and notched tubes at BYC, there has been no problems brought to my attention.

whats to say your arms havent broken? if you say I dont know for sure then its the same for anyone who sells a part. you dont know until a customer contacts you...

so thats not a good statement.

ive done all I can do to take care of issues. Ive fixed anything I needed to and have continued to improve my parts.

Moog k6293

It looks smooth to me. The only grooves I can imagine you are talking about are a knurled outer surface on the balljoint. I have never seen a ball joint with grooves on the body because the body is a casting that is turned to create a specific OD for a press fit. I could imagine there being some casting marks on the shoulder but that part is not part of your press fit, it is there to stop the balljoint from being pressed in too far so that is why it isn't always cleaned up. I think your going to be hard pressed to find anyone to buy into the grooved ball joint theory. I may have given it a chance if it looked like there were some rhyme and reason to your grooves but after seeing them in person there is no way that was intentional because the grooves are arbitrarily placed. You really need to take this for what it is... Constructive feedback.

Chris you have completely ignored everything I Have posted to state my case. I even showed in a picture you took where the arms had been hitting the frame. If you look back in the BYC thread you will see the same marks on the arms pics posted then. I noted it then and then those guys all of a sudden shut the heck up...

address that instead of ignoring it. Yes stronger arms will prevent that from happening. so a larger and thicker balljoint plate notched into the arm tube prevents them from breaking even if they hit the frame. I did exactly that and problem solved, so why is it being brought up now? just so you can try to get a rise or try to prove your right about BYC. But you get shot down.

You post a pic showing something your trying to prove, I shoot it down with your own evidence and you ignore what I posted.

If you want to help lets discuss this in emails and we can go back and forth about machining parts.

since you are not a DHP customer and BYC does not owe you parts you should not be posting here anyway.

Plus everything you have posted is nothing but grabbing at straws and I have refuted everything with an intelligent plausible explanation. I dont have any evidence that grooves helps hold in the balljoint? again, are you kidding?

I see an aftermarket balljoints with grooves in it made to replace a factory balljoint with none. Hmm, why did they put the grooves in it then? Its certainly something that takes an extra step and more money to make. so why would they do that extra step and spend more money when the factory balljoint did not have them?? my assumption is to better hold the balljoint.

plus you dont have any evidence that the grooves dont help. I dont know how much more obvious it can get that that.

You have manufacturers of parts all over the world doing it yet you say theres no evidence that it helps. Hmmm, maybe you know more than the multi million dollar companies manufacturing millions of aftermarket parts.

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Low_SST said:

Moog k6293

It looks smooth to me. The only grooves I can imagine you are talking about are a knurled outer surface on the balljoint. I have never seen a ball joint with grooves on the body because the body is a casting that is turned to create a specific OD for a press fit. I could imagine there being some casting marks on the shoulder but that part is not part of your press fit, it is there to stop the balljoint from being pressed in too far so that is why it isn't always cleaned up. I think your going to be hard pressed to find anyone to buy into the grooved ball joint theory. I may have given it a chance if it looked like there were some rhyme and reason to your grooves but after seeing them in person there is no way that was intentional because the grooves are arbitrarily placed. You really need to take this for what it is... Constructive feedback.



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I just bought some K6293 balljoints that have the grooves yesterday.

This thread is awesome lol


plain and simple, I dont buy your "grooved" ball joint cup theroy, I think you just produced some poor quality ball joint cups, and figure you need a way to play it off as something done intentionally... and heres why.

Ball joints that have pressing grooves machined into them from the aftermarket companies, they are vertical grooves, meaning that when they are pressed into a ball joint cup, the grooves are being used as a aid for an over sized ball joint hole or cup, so, when that ball joint is pressed through, the vertical grooves fold in on them selves and create extra friction but still allow that ball joint to go its full depth into the arm, and seat properly, they are in fact on that ball joint to keep it from spinning, that is their purpose when they are in the ball joint themselves.

Horizontal "grooves" on the inside of a ball joint cup are not going to have the same effect. They are going to drag accross the ball joint as it gets pressed in, and those grooves are just going to essentially peel back one by one as the ball joint gets pressed int them, in the end giving it a worse fit than a properly machined ball joint cup, with a full smooth surface.

To be honest I dont care what you do with your cups, you can machine from 8 pieces of steel with grooved and knurled dog shit inside of them and i couldnt care less. I just personally think its bullshit, and im sure nearly any other machinist will agree, its bull shit to pass off poor machine quality and technique as a design charicteristic.

Im sure you will come back with a post full of facts and documented actions beating around the bush, and vaguely reaching any facts of any sort, but a lot of words that sound good.

Good luck with future business, and ill state what i did in my origional post. I have gotten to see some of your new DHP parts first hand. They are scary. Even if you dont intend to produce the best parts, have a little pride in yourself.

Regaurdless, i'm done bantering with you. No matter what anybody says you have some reason why everybody else is wrong. You go along with the opinion that everyone else is out to get you. You also think that no one else has problems but you and that everybody lives with mommy and daddy and also that you are working from scratch because you have nothing. Like everyone else has everything given to them on a plate. I worked hard to get where I am with what I have as i'm sure most of the other shops on this forum have too. I will continue to live and learn and ultimately grow my business. Now I can't say 100% that nothing I have made has ever broke, because honestly I do not know, but I would never claim that either, although I am pretty confident that nothing I have made has ever broke. I also have been in the same location, had the same phone number, and done business under the same name for years now so if there was a problem customers would know how to get in contact with me. I would say that based on past customers I have NEVER had a BROKEN part returned to me. I guess I was trying to help you out by posting ideas to help you streamline your process like, pre-ordering balljoint cups to save machine time and labor, not adding grooves if your going to do it to save machine time and labor, because these all add up to more time at assembly which slows down production. If you speed up production you wouldn't be behind, FACT! A friend and I WERE paying customers at one time and posted pics of the problems we had, FACT! I hope you get everything straightened out and back on track, I really do, I wish bad things for no man, FACT! I'm not saying i'm perfect either, I argued with one prior customer and hated myself for it after the fact and not because of who was right or wrong but because its just bad business practice, FACT! I am going to be the better business man and walk away at this point as this discussion is going nowhere if your not going to be open minded.

Edited: 10/24/2010 2:03:39 PM by smcprez

Here are some pics of the Toyota upper control arms that Mike made & sent to me last week. Im waiting on my lowers now & when they get here they will be going on my boys Ranger project.

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fabricationnation said:

Brandt, he did not show his name or proof of an order date or anything nor did he say whether he tried to contact me or not.

as stated I have had post on forums, many forums and on my website for people to contact me.

I remember most of the names when I see them of people who I owed parts to. The number I thought was about 16 or 17 was actually about 19 or 20.

But There may be one or two that have not contacted me at all. but we are talking a very small number that have not been taken care of yet, on the large side theres 4 or 5 and on the small side 2 or 3. It does not matter because Im working with everyone to take care of them.

plus the people that are posting in here should be customers only as we agreed to earlier.

as stated before I have to sell new parts to be able to fill old orders.

yes I shipped 3 sets friday, one was an old order. not even an order where I did not ship them in the day but where I shipped them uppers and lowers and the lowers were missing one of the 2 crossbars. I offered a full new set instead and I sent the uppers, which they already have a set of the old version right now.

how could someone in the scene not know Im back in business?

Ive posted in the 30 or so forums Im a member of plus I keep it up on my website...

I dont know of any other way to get to anyone that does not know Im in business.

why would you think people would not expect good results? if they look at the parts on my website they can see the difference plus all the postings of old customers who did get their parts. plus if they contact me anything positive is good results. there has been no bad results from anyone that contacted me. so there is no down side.

many times people get more than they asked for. people that were owed just lowers or uppers are getting both, or im giving away free stuff like parts.

I also had a guy contact me with a set of BYC S-10 arms. The version with a 1/2" plate but butt welded. he had not installed them and wanted me to rework them to make them stronger. I decided to replace them with an all new set with bushings, balljoints and new crossbars, which the original version did not have.

m glad to do this and this is just a couple of the times where I did above and beyond what was owed.

No these people dont come in here and post, they just go on with their project.







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Well he may not have posted anything to prove who he is or if he is really a customer (even though I find a screen shot of a transaction to be satisfactory), you haven't proven he isn't a customer. Thus disorganized mess on both sides. I find it amazing on both sides.

As far as posting on forums, you do post on forums, but you do it often from obscure names, with hit and miss info. You assume since you put things on your site that people see it. Let me let you in on a little bit of facts about web sites. People dont just goto to your site the second you create it or update it. Additionally your site I doubt has much traffic at all. Your forum is proof positive of this. Nobody is there dude, so you could put naked pictures of Megan Fox on there and nobody would really know it. So my point is putting it on your site doesn't translate into people seeing it. This goes for now and even back in BYC days. You mention a recall, if you didn't directly contact each customer via a mailed letter or email, then you didn't do a recall. You posting it on your site means someone has to find it. Thats not how recalls work Mike, and you know it. Doesn't mean you didn't make effort to correct the problem sounds like you did, however it wasn't the correct effort. Thats the facts. When your Chevy has a recall, you get a letter, a email, and your dealer will even tell you about it when you are in next. Thats a recall Mike. They dont just post it on their site.

As far as people posting that may or may not be customers, well so far I haven't seen any proof that they are not, nor that they are. It shouldn't be SSM or my job to sort through that drama. This thread can end now if you like. All we can do is is try to keep it civil and NEITHER side seems to be doing a great job at that and I doubt thats going to change. They are to offensive, and you are to defensive. Like I said the facts are most likely somewhere in between the two parties claims.

People can expect what you put out, you say its roughly 20 people. Heck dude if it was only 20 people for the life of me cant think of a single reason not to just have made those 20 sets 5 minutes after turning your lights back on at the shop. Its been entirely too long. Your human, we are all human. We all make mistakes, its how you handle them. In my opinion you could have done far better.