your take on immigration

i could go on about this for hours, but i wont. i am italian, so my family also at one time came to this country as an immigrant, but not once did they ask for a free hand out, not once did they expect someone to adapt to there language, they learned to speak english, as broken as it may have been, and they also got a job and supported there families, they did not cry and call it unfair when they had to struggle, they dealt with it, out on there shit kickin boots and made it through, theres nothing that pisses me off more than going to a store and seeing under every english word, the spanish version, you know what GOOD for the minute men, at least they are out there defending what they believe is right, i dont want some freakin murderer, rapist, child molestor or someone with aids, h.i.v or any other disease just waltzing right into my country, to do as they please, you want to live here, its simple, PAY TAXES and SPEAK ENGLISH, i used to work retail, now i am 6'3 blonde hair and blue eyed, white as white can be ( and yes im still italian, dont ask ) and these motherfuckers would come up to me and ask me if i speak spanish " you speaka spanish? " and when i would say no they spoke perfectly ine english, dont come here and expect me to adapt to you, adapt to us damnit,

thats all i have to say for now, i will chime in later

oh yeah by the way

the statue of liberty does say bring me your weak and tired, but how many illegals pass the statue of liberty into the us the right and legal way? about 1% and it says WEAK and TIRED, not lazy, criminal, welfare monkeys

sorry if anyone is offended but thats how i feel, sick of working 60 hrs a week in a warehouse bustin my ass and people down the street in the ghetto sit on there asses in there free goverment housing collecting $2500 a month on welfare with there 8 kids from 8 different daddy's

ok now i am truly done

later

I......I.....I..... I have no problem with anyone, color, shape, size, nationality, background, it dont matter to me, AS LONG AS THEY WORK, SPEAK ENGLISH, AND DO NOT DEPEND ON OUR GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT THEM. I work 40 plus hours a week at one job and bust my tail in a shop at night to supprot ME. I have no kids to support, no car payments, low insurance cause the only thing I can afford to put insurance on is my 87 mazda. I live in a one bedroom apartment in "cracktown". BUT yet i can ride through government housing and see tahoes and expeditions and newer pickups and most of them got wheels and stereos, and they're parked in front of a nice house. A house that if i stripped all my non-existent extra bills away could not afford the payments on. I HAVE NO USE for anyone that recieves gov. assistance cause they a slack tailed mofo. If they are able bodied enough to take their sorry tails to the welfare office and stand in line, then by george i beleive they are able bodied enough to work.

The illegal immigrants are some of the people that i listed above. At the rate that or manufacturering plants and other companies are sending or jobs to other countries, WE AS A COUNTRY, cannot afford to give jobs to people that are dont belong here.

Sorry for the speach. I appoligize if it affends anyone but it was hard typing in a politically correct manner.

I THINK THAT THEODORE ROOSEVELT SAID IT BEST IN 1907

" IN THE FIRST PLACE, WE SHOULD INSIST THAT IF THE IMMIGRANT WHO
COMES HERE IN GOOD FAITH, BECOMES AN AMERICAN AND ASSIMILATES HIMSELF TO US, HE SHALL BE TREATED ON AN EXACT EQUALITY WITH EVERYONE ELSE FOR IT IS AN OUTRAGE TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANY SUCH MAN BECAUSE OF CREED, OR BIRTHPLACE, OR ORIGIN. BUT THIS IS PREDICTATED UPON THE PERSON'S BECOMING IN EVERY FACET AN AMERICAN, AND NOTHING BUT AN AMERICAN...THERE CAN BE NO DIVIDED ALLEGIANCE HERE. ANY MAN WHO SAYS HE IS AN AMERICAN, BUT SOMETHING ELSE ALSO, ISN'T AN AMERICAN AT ALL. WE HAVE ROOM FOR BUT ONE FLAG, THE AMERICAN FLAG...WE HAVE ROOM FOR BUT ONE LANGUAGE HERE, AND THAT IS THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE....AND WE HAVE ROOM FOR BUT ONE SOLE LOYALTY AND THAT IS THE LOYALTY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE."

NOW THAT BEING SAID, IF THEY COME HERE WITH INTENTIONS TO WORK, SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY, SPEAK ENGLISH, AND TRULY BE AN AMERICAN, AND HELP THIS COUNTRY TO PROSPER, AND NOT BURDEN IT MORE, THEN AS THEY SAY ON HEE HAW COME ON IN!! BUT IF THEY WANT TO COME HERE & GRIPE ABOUT HAVING TO SPEAK ENGLISH, WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO PAY THEIR WAY, AND THEN HAVE THE NERVE TO SEND THE MONEY BACK TO WHERE EVER THEY CAME FROM WHEN IT WAS MADE ILLEGALY IN THE FIRST PLACE, STAY THE HELL OUT.........

I WORK HARD FOR MY MONEY, AND WAS BROUGHT UP THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO WORK TO GET WHAT YOU WANT, IT WASN'T GOING TO BE HANDED TO YOU. I WILL HELP ANY MAN OUT WHO IS WILLING TO HELP THEMSELVES, BUT TO THOSE WANTING A HANDOUT, ALL I HAVE IS A SHOVLE
AND HARD WORK AHEAD!!

So how do we or the american government control that? Do we give them all an interview and ask if they will be citizens and learn english? They aren't stupid... they are going to tell us what we want them to say. We can't put them on a trial basis, because then that would lead to amnisty and back the system up so incredably far that it would be recluse and not worth the effort. What is the correct thing to do here? And sorry roach, i can't agree with you on shooting them all down. There has to be some civil way of handling this situation. And to be honnest i'm tired of them constantly saying that terriorists are coming over the boarder.. when in fact they are coming from the Canadian boarder. I think we need to look at the problem... why are they coming here? Yes a very very small percentage is coming escaping the police and government there, but studdies show that we have more criminals illegally immigrating to Mexico. But with all the effort and money we will be spending building walls, employing people to control the boarders. Why not take that same effort and money to help them become a stronger nation? Were going to spend the time and money reguardless... so why not spend it wisely.. make it something that will last several generations to come. Not to mention how many pissed off Mexicans we will have running around trying to break down a wall... so we can just add one more country to the "pissed off at us" list.

Mike

KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, AS I (A YOUNG MALE @30) SEE IT
WE HAVE TWO MAJOR ISSUES IN THE STATES (WELL PROBABLY MORE, BUT JUST FOLLOW ME HERE) ONE IMMIGRATION (TITLE OF TOPIC), AND TWO SOCIAL SECURITY (WHICH ANYONE MY AGE OR YOUNGER WILL BE LUCKY TO EVER SEE, BUT ARE STEADILY PAYING INTO)

TO WEED OUT THE ONES THAT DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THRU, MAKE ALL IMMIGRANTS PAY EXTRA TAXES (& NOT AN UNGODLY AMOUNT) INTO SOCIAL SECURITY FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS BEFORE BECOMING FULL FLEGED PATRONS OF OUR COUNTRY. THIS WOULD REPLENISH SOCIAL SECURTY AND LIKE I SAY KEEP THEM HONEST, AFTER ALL WHO WANTS TO PAY FOR SOMETHING FOR 10-15 YEARS AND NOT OWN A SOMETHING (THEIR CITIZENSHIP OR WHAT EVER) ALSO TAKE AWAY THE TAX LOOP HOLES FOR THEM & THEIR FAMILIES WHO MOVE HERE BUY A GAS STATION OR HOTEL, SEND THE MONEY HOME (TAX FREE), AND WHEN THEIR 10 YEARS OF TAX FREEDOM IS UP, THEY SELL IT TO THE NEXT PERSON (IMMIGRANT) IN THEIR FAMILIES TO DO AGAIN & AGAIN, WHICH KEEPS THE MONEY FLOWING OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO FREELY CROSS THE BORDER THEN LIKE A LEECH SUCK THE BLOOD OUT OF OUR COUNTRY WHICH OUR FATHERS, GRAND FATHERS & SO ON WORKED & GAVE SO MUCH TO MAKE GREAT FOR THEM TO COME & DO WHAT IS BEING DONE.

THESE ARE JUST A FEW POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS, AND BY NO MEANS WOULD THEY WORK, BECAUSE BY THE TIME THE CROOKED POLITICIANS GOT AHOLD OF IT THE LAWS WOULD ME MORE TWISTED THAN THEY ARE NOW!

SORRY BOUT THE RANT MIKE....

i think the government has some great ideas to help control the border better. heres some things outlined from cnn:

theres a link about 1/3 of the way down, "Key Points of Plan"
i think the finger scanning would be a full proof way to keep track of illegals, and give the governement a chance to have a history record of their past.
the temporary worker program would give immigrants from Mexico a chance to offer thier services to the U.S. while being under supervision of the government and an employer.

...and for those of you who want to shoot these guys, you cant be serious. Mexico is apart of NAFTA[North American Free Trade Association] and we rely on them for many resources. We have a good relationship with them now, and shooting thier citizens will only tell them they we dont care about them.

So for the guys who want to shoot illegal immigrants, I guess its ok for Mexican Federales to shoot Americans when they cross the border? What idiots. BJ

If Americans are jumping the fence, the HELL YES, shoot them. We dont need them. Its plain and simple, do it the right way, or get a bullet in your ass.

man ive got shit to say but i dont want to be the dumbfuck who got this topic shut down so for now ill just keep my peace

If you have something to say then say it... thats what the forum is all about. However we won't tolerate ignorance and vulgar comments becuase quite frankly they aren't appreciated. Not to mention they show your ignorance and lack of vocabulary. You can use other words to express how you feel. With that said. We can't expect the immigrants to pay extra taxes to push our social security... if they are starting at the bottom picking strawberries for 3 dollars an hour.. we can't take 1.50 away from them for our greedy pourposes. Social Security has something else working against it... the economy! Not to get off subject tho. Last night President Bush was talking about amnisty but putting them at the back of the line. He didn't mean the back of the line back in Mexico. Rather the back of the economy line here in the states. So they will be more tempted to steal, more tempted to abuse their rights, more tempted to do a lot of things that we will never have to deal with. And my last point is what makes us so much better? Yes a few of us actually work for a living.. but isn't that what these people want to do? Just because our parents were born here and that we were born here... what makes us better people than them? However we sit at our desks and go captian comando on the keyboard bitching about how we don't want them in our country that weve personally done absolutly nothing for (minus the very few men and women in the military). Our generation takes this country for granted. And if our education levels don't raise, our generation dosen't start caring about politics... were in for a much bigger mess.
Mike