What do you think a 2 link is worth??

the side to side is coming from the axle moving side to side with the only thing keeping it to a minimum are the bushings. without a link holding the axle to the frame from left to right, you will get more side to side over time with the bushings wearing out. with a panhard, watts link, or a diagnal link, your bushings will wear out faster and then bad things happen. even though your bars are welded together, the bars are still going from front to rear not left to right connecting it to the frame from left to right. i really suck at explaining things so i hope that made some kind of sense. haha.

ahhhhhh, ok i see what you are saying now. you are saying that the axle will not move side to side at the point where the links are mounted to the axle itself because the bars are welded together. right?

if that is the case remember this. there is still no link connecting the axle to the frame for the side to side. so now the weakest point in the setup is at the forward bushing. which is very bad. because now you are putting more of a load on those bushings. if you connect a panhard, you minimize the amount of side to side in the bushings. so instead of your bushings getting worn from moving up and down and side to side, with a panhard they will only get worn moving up and down. make sense?

I see what you're sayin, but i still haven't seen any setups like that.... I understand the concept but i don't necessarily think its all that pertinent. The side to side motion with my setup would be so miniscule to not really cause excessive bushing wear

here is my setup prior to shocks but you get the idea

yes, i agree 110% that THAT type of setup needs a panhard. I've been passed by a guy before that i guess jus had 2 bars and he tried to be cool and drag on me and when he aired up, his truck shifted side to side SOOO bad, so i know what happens with that type of setup and no panhard....

Again not trying to be a dick here, but instead of just looking at what others have done and got away with, Read a text book on proper suspension geometry. if you are building a parallel 2,3, or 4 link, You NEED a locating device such as a panhard bar, Watt's link, diagonal link or Jacob's ladder. Even though your bars are connected, the weak link at the point of mounting to the frame (bushings) will quickly wear causing undesired lateral movement. If this is being built for a show only truck that gets pushed on and off a trailer, it will work fine but if it is going to be driven on the street(for safety sake) add a locating device. Again you do great work but some of us have been doing this for a long time and have seen when shit goes wrong, so it never hurts to accept a little constructive criticism. Cheers man and let's see some pics of the finished product when you get it done

I've been doin this a lil while too, jus put a few pics up of a 2 link like mine with a panhard..... or find it in a "textbook" and show me

You definetly need a panhard bar, or some type of watts link to stop the rear end from any lateral movement. if you think that the center piece holding the 2 links together is doing anything your quite wrong. The bushings are goign to take so much force from deflection it's going to cause issues.

If you've never seen a 2 link with a panhard bar, all the 2 links you see are done wrong.

There is ALOT of force when you turn a vehicle at a speed, from the inertia of the vehicle wanting to go straihgt, this translates into a laterial force on the rear end which could cause the bolts to snap off at the point where they mount to the chassis. The rear end and link bars act as a lever arm, and there is a moment about the monting point on the chassis wanting the bolt to shear off.

But to answer the question, 100 seems pretty low for the work, figure most shops charge 40-65 an hr. All that work can't get done in less than 2 hrs if you want to take your time and make it clean. Just curious, why does he not want to run a triangulated 4 link?

Bro if this was a show truck, and I saw that thing with no panhard bar, I would straight up be talkin so much shit. There is no excuse, if you don't understand how to do it properly dont try it, have someone else do it, or research it.

Setups like this are what piss me off in mini truckin, they are wiggidy whack, dangerous, and give the mini truckers who build clean rides bad names as hacks.