Sport Truck Mag no more :(

---------------------------------------------Originally posted by loudcivEdited: 9/17/2009 4:29:28 AM by loudciv--------------------------------------------Originally posted by cruisinlowS10So wait....we the custom truck enthusiasts are to blame?  Am I the only one offended by this statement?  I'm not trying to be an ass...Im just shooting straight from the hip here. Im not taking any blame for a failed magazine.  The realty of the matter is the mags are polluted with advertisements.  Truckin used to be the worst. I have not picked up a Truckin' for a long time now.  Mainly because of the ridiculous amounts of ads and the fact that you guys were featuring as many BOATS as you were trucks. This was about the time i quit subscribing to truckin.  Yeah the custom truck enthusiast is killing your mags.  How many threads have been made with people fussing about the amount of ads in the mags. I realize the ads have to be there to pay the bills. However the rest of the content of the magazines lately have not outweighed the ads. This includes minitruckin sport truck, and truckin.   I mean seriously I have gone to shows with 100's upon 100's of trucks there and then when the coverage comes out in the mag its like a page and a half.  Times are tight for everyone and Im sure that has hurt the magazines.  However you cant blame the people for not buying.  If they arent buying there is a reason, be it financial or just being plain dissatisfied with the magazine itself.---------------------------------------------exactly. make me WANT TO BUY YOUR MAGAZINE. i honestly dont buy mags anymore, because 50% is advertising & all the trucks are basically the same, chevys on 22s blah blah... how about some friggin variety? oh wait i forgot people would rather see another s10 than put a tastefully done midsize sedan in a mag  here's another idea, regarding how long it takes to run a feature. how about you only feature top to bottom worthy vehicles, not just the pretty looking ones. i cant tell you how many cover/feature trucks i've looked at that are buckets of shit up close. if there is shit thats "wrong", dont shoot around that stuff, dont shoot it at all. reward the people that put in the extra effort, it might cut down on the number of vehicles to sift through on your desk each month. it might make for a better quality mag in the process.  ---------------------------------------------agrees with everything above here, I find it outrageous that you say its our fault wow that just incredible.  Not much more I can say that these two haven't.  I know I haven't bought  a mag in over two years.  I two subscribed to Boatin errr Truckin at one point.  ALso susbcibed to mini truckin and they are all just not worth it to me lately.  I will just keep going to all the online sources so I can see everything not just ten or so trucks that might make it in the mag.

You guys are taking it all wrong, jus like emails and text messages, you can read it anyway you want.  Who elses fault is it?  We as a truck community have to support our magazines, shops, and suppliers.  Without us they are nthing and without us and them our sport is no longer.  I see many shops struggling right now, people goign out of business that I neverthought would, times are tough, we need to pull together and keep the sport alive.   I Don't take any offense to what Dan said, I think its true.  Anyone that doesn't buy magazines can be to blame.  Sport Truck had a niche they filled, unfortunately they are gone. I don't think it was because it wasn't a great Mag it had great tech great features that wert the norm.  THey will be missed.   I think it is great that Truckin will help fill that niche along with all their other great content.   RIP SPORT TRUCK...  just my 2 cents, take it as you will....

---------------------------------------------Originally posted by nautiquessYou guys are taking it all wrong, jus like emails and text messages, you can read it anyway you want.  Who elses fault is it?  We as a truck community have to support our magazines, shops, and suppliers.  Without us they are nthing and without us and them our sport is no longer.  I see many shops struggling right now, people goign out of business that I neverthought would, times are tough, we need to pull together and keep the sport alive.   I Don't take any offense to what Dan said, I think its true.  Anyone that doesn't buy magazines can be to blame.  Sport Truck had a niche they filled, unfortunately they are gone. I don't think it was because it wasn't a great Mag it had great tech great features that wert the norm.  THey will be missed.   I think it is great that Truckin will help fill that niche along with all their other great content.   RIP SPORT TRUCK...  just my 2 cents, take it as you will.... So not to change it up to much but what you are saying its the conusmers fault that a company product doesn't sale.  So it must be the consumers fault gm went down, well if thats the case call Obama lets get the magazine back.  Obviously more people felt that there wasn't enough in it or it would still be going like the rest of the mags.  I am sorry to hear people lost there jobs I do enjoy Mikes articles.  ---------------------------------------------

---------------------------------------------Originally posted by DanWardTruckinEditorFor those of you wondering the same thing, your chances of getting in any mag are much higher if you let someone who is on staff shoot your truck.We have many to go through each month and not enough pages, so patience is important.  --------------------------------------------- It is very difficult to have a STAFFER shoot your truck when there aren't any to shoot it.......i remember for so very long Joe Greeves was the only freelancer shooting any trucks in the southeast.....fortunatley my truck was shot at the height of the MT boom and John O' and Mike both colaberated and shot my truck and it ran 2 different features in ST and MT......Back to my point....we in FL are almost required to travel far out of state to get a STAFFER to shoot our trucks...so people like Joe, Rigo and Chicken are filling the gaps left by staffers.....i havent seen any staff at any southeast shows in quite a while...and i know times are tough and that's why freelancers are a good thing but maybe that's a bigger reason why multiple shoots happen since there is such a delay for freelancers to have there work featured

Then if you have a problem with the magazine, give them some real ideas of what you want changed.  Less advertising isn't an option, they all have advertising and thts what truly pays te bills.  Just saying it sucks doesnt really give an insight to what we want.  I think it has changed for the better in the last couple years, less boats less lamborghini doors etc... I was a little disenchanted with Truckin during those days,   I mean when other people were there it seemed like it was geared towards their own vehicles.. I got so sick of seeing red rocker in every issue... Truck was badass... but the flames were hideous.  Now look StreetTrucks put another one of their editors trucks on the cover... It is ok, but really no inner fenders in the front and a halfass flame job and no BD and it made cover???   I like streettrucks but damn... I have been unhappy the last couple of issues.

I agree with the above. You can blame us all you want to but the reality of the matter is that the niche to support a performance truck mag fell apart and you blindly kept producing a rag for that segment. If you are looking to place blame, blame me, I admit I dropped sport truck over five years ago and Truckin a lot longer ago than that. Wanna know why? I dont care about lighting upgrades or how to install a 2/3 drop on your brand new truck, there is nothing in a article thats 20 pages long detailing the latest wheels for the year. I dont care what kind of exhaust bolts onto a 09 silverado, F150 or Ram 1500. How many articles can one write about computer reprogramers? I know thats just me, and that there are people out there that do care about that stuff. Those people are ever becoming the minority in our own tiny "truck mag" niche I feel. I refuse to buy into the fact that if there isn't a sport truck magazine or a truckin mag that it will keep me from doing what I enjoy doing. You book writters are there for our entertainment, listen to what these people are saying. And know that its hard to keep your finger on the pulse of the "sport" if you have little to no connection to the forums these days. One of the above posters that seems to be a Mag person bragged that he doesnt visit the forums because of flaming and idiotic or half thought out comments. I think that attitude just proves why some of these mags are obsolete and are gone or will be gone.  That said, props go out to Mike and his crew at mini truckin (and Mike actually cares what most of us think by participating in the forums), the guys at street trucks and classic trucks. Those are some mags right there! my subscriptions are almost three years out on each of those mags. I need to subscribe to Street Source and that will be my next mag subscription purchase. I support who puts out the content I am interested in or who has generally written what is entertaining. Believe me, I am not going to buy a mag for support just because it has a truck on it, sorry truckin guy.

I'm not on a soapbox fellas, I'm simply telling it how I see it.We ALL have to stick together and make sure we ALL do our part. Here are replys to a few recent posts: Checkit out, I have bronze next to my name now(I have too many T-shirts already), so that argument doesn't holdwater. I am an enthusiast and I will support the scene the best I can.For those of you making comments about boats, I'm confused, have youread the mag in the last 2-3 years? Not reading arecent magazine and saying it is today like it was 4 years ago is likebreaking up with a chick and  and saying you're not going to date girlsanymore. I listened to what you wanted to see, and I got rid of boats almost 2 years ago.  Give us a chance, pick it up and check it out. We have new editor's with new visions and new ideas.One Bad Rado wrote: TO LAST TRUCKIN MAG, WAS THE BEST IVE SEEN IN A WHILE... GREATFEATURES, ALOT OF FEATURES AND REALLY A MAG THATS HEADED THE RIGHTWAY... Yet,  people are still on here complaining about boats?Dowe run a lot of Chevy's on 22s, yes. Why? Go to a show and look howmany Chevy's on 22s there are. We try to mix it up, but if guys aren'tbuilding (finishing) Ford, Dodge, Toyota, Nissan trucks, we can't runthem.As far as shows, we have the best show coverage inthe industry at our website and it's uploaded just a few days after anevent (and it's free).We are not going to give 10 pagesto a show when we could make someone's dream come true by featuringtheir pride and joy in those pages.   Inregards to staff Editors shooting your trucks in the South. I was atSoutheast Showdown in Atlanta, we were at RA in TN, we are going to beat Slamfest in Tampa, we were at Slamily Reunion in Arkansas, we wereat Scrapin' the Coast in Biloxi. We were there. Where were you?  Tocomment about the content, yes, we are going to mix it up. There willbe on-going projects in the next year showcasing many different buildstyles, new parts, and cool new ideas. Please be open-minded that noteveryone is on your technical level or has the ability(know-how) to cutup their truck. That's why you see a variety of tech, ranging frombolt-ons to body-mods to audio. Everyone has a specialty, but we try tocater to a large group of interest.   I knowthe buyer's guide and product showcases aren't for everyone, butwithout them, how do you know what cool new parts are available foryour ride. I love seeing the cool new stuff companies are coming outwith. Hopefully you can appreciate our responsibility to the masses toshow them hot new parts.  Lastly, like Chadmentioned, if you have ideas for improving the magazine, and I don'tmean from a guy with a four-door car commenting on a truck post, I'llbe happy to hear it, and if you don't want everyone to see youropinion, send me a PM.   

Hey Dan, here is the "four-door car guys" truck.  

as nice or nicer than many vehicles in truckin (which apparently I now subscribe to since my sport truck subscription is being transferred over)

I feel Dan is doing an excellent job with TRUCKIN. As far as not being a paid member of SSM. I was a gold member for a period of three years and all I ever got was a T-shirt and a website than never got updated. I made some friends on here. "I didnt have to pay for that". I've saw Dan and others from different magazine at SES. Looks like they were covering the southeast to me. I think as far a covering the  MINITRUCK SCENE, All you have to do is open any newspaper and look in the police blotter and you will have it covered. Distruction,Drunkiness, Disrespect for laws and bad behavior! Thats whats going to kill the scene! Thats my view and I'm sticking to it